Comment: naming this group the same as ..http://mushroomobserver.org/34485?search_seq=1348778
Having found them on the same day and being able to compare them in hand sure makes me think they are different species. Besides the spores being significantly larger with these, the stipe was more robust, and the cap color more orange and tackier. The overall textures of the cap and stipe also seemed different.
Unfortunately I didn’t save them so I won’t be able to elaborate on those points. However, I think even a diehard lumper would take notice of the spore size differentials.
Of course, I’m assuming you agree with the Id on the later observation.