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Name: Amanita battarrae (Boud.) Bon

Rank: Species
Status: Accepted
Name: Amanita battarrae
Author: (Boud.) Bon
Citation: 1985. Documents Mycologique 16(61): 16.
Deprecated Synonym(s): Amanita vaginata var. battarrae
Version: 4
Previous Version: 3
Genus: Amanita Pers.
Genus: Amanita (sect. Amanita)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Lepidella)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Vaginatae)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Amidella)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Validae)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Phalloideae)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Caesareae)
Genus: Amanita (subsect. Vittadiniae)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Amanitella)
Genus: Amanita sp-1 Tulloss
Genus: Amanita sp-2
Genus: Amanita sp-T10 Tulloss
Genus: Amanita sp-T43 Tulloss
Genus: Amanita sp-N51 Tulloss
Genus: Amanita sp-T44 Tulloss
Genus: Amanita (subsect. Solitariae)
Genus: Amanita (stirps Grossa)
Genus: Amanita (sect. Amanita subsect. Gemmatae)

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First person to use this name on MO: Irene Andersson
Editors: ret, Herbert Baker

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Created: 2010-07-22 22:26:43 WET (+0000)
By: ret
Summary: I understand…

Yes, all their pictures are distinctly brown; moreover, there are brown zones in some pictures that they call umbrinolutea as well as in pictures they call battarrae. Problems.

However, they got to the point of knowing that the names were described originally with different colors. The problem is that Boudier includes Battarra’s description by reference, but ALSO says the dark zones are “fauve.” In other words, Boudier confused taxa with umbrinous zones with taxa with gray zones. Boudier started the whole species’ history with confusion.

I think that Neville and Poumarat (by selecting the Battarra plate as a lectotype) have given us a break. That plate (with its associated description) depicts a gray-capped amanita. NOT an umbrinous-zoned amanita. We have a basis for building two separable species concepts…if the real world of fungi will allow us to do that. Right now, we don’t know enough about variability (for example, variability of colors); but we can start with the hypothesis of a gray-zoned extreme and an umber-zoned extreme; and we can test that hypothesis. Then we go where the data leads us.

I said this in a less succinct manner in a post the other day. We need to accept two names in this case because we can’t ignore the plausible hypothesis that color difference may lead us to discover anatomical difference(s).

See my most recent email (not posted).

Very best,

Rod


Created: 2010-07-22 19:29:37 WET (+0000)
By: Andreas Gminder (mollisia)
Summary: Yes it is grey -

that’s why I don’t like that NEVILLE & POUMARAT want to call this one A. umbrinolutea now.

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Created: 2010-07-22 16:59:52 WET (+0000)
By: ret
Summary: Oh….

Andreas,

I thought this species was gray…from the picture. It’s not gray?

Rod


Created: 2010-07-22 14:20:48 WET (+0000)
By: Andreas Gminder (mollisia)
Summary: But NEVILLE & POUMARAT

like to name this fungus now A. umbrinolutea and they draw most of the fotos/collections of Amanita battarrae to this taxon, whereas they restrict the name A. battarrae for a greyish (??? my taxon IS grey!) species from decidous forests.
I have to admit that I can not follow the concept in this publication, because the given differences (cap colour grey vs. brown, ecology decidous vs. coniferous, volva colour white vs. rusty) exist also in other combinations.
Unfortunately the brwonish capped taxon with whiteish volva I have from decidous forest is rare and I have no thorough examination of it and my exsiccates all rest in STU and are not in my hands anymore.

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Created: 2010-07-21 13:39:07 WET (+0000)
By: Herbert Baker (Herbert Baker)
Summary: Conspecific

Is the cap color the only reason for creating a separate species?
Fungorum does not reflect this name change, is it published?

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Created: 2010-05-30 18:04:14 WET (+0000)
By: ret
Summary: Reduction of synonym list…

I have found and read the original Latin description upon which the name A. battarae is based. The color is not red-brown as in A. umbrinolutea. It is predominantly gray. The view that the two taxa are not synonyms has also appeared recently in European literature. Andreas Gminder has argued for separation of the two taxa on MO. At present, I am convinced of his position.

Hence, Irene’s photo should be moved to A. umbrinolutea as it appears to represent that taxon.

R.




Created: 2008-11-07 10:53:59 WET (+0000) by Irene Andersson (irenea)
Last modified: 2009-09-29 14:34:36 WET (+0000) by Herbert Baker (Herbert Baker)
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