NOTE: this comment originally in response to a now-deleted comment of Dan Molter’s
Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.
a PhD-calibre declaration if I’ve ever heard one.
Your suggestion that we use only the genus name reeks of a slavish devotion to a taxonomic rule at the expense of hindering communication. It’s short-sighted.
My suggestion — and yes, it is a suggestion — is in an effort to adhere to the very principes which MO itself adheres to by utilizing binomial nomenclature. By your reasoning, that makes me, Mushroom Observer and its creators/developers and really taxonomy at large all “slaves,” though I expect that those you’ve indicted find “members” and “contributors” to be more acurate descriptors. It would be redundant (like most of our exchanges) to reiterate my support for contemporary taxonomy. That argument already exists here:
…an argument which, at the time, you seemed to take much less issue with. To be specific, you found it neither short-sighted nor sophomoric.
You lack both expertise and authority, yet you take on the role of self-assured nomenclature police, out to save mushroomobserver from a non-conventional name. You are so sure that you’re right, and those who disagree must be stupid or crazy. That is sophomoric.
You contradict yourself, Herr Philosoph. The word was ‘suggestion,’ remember? Browse my unadulterated comment history if you need a refresher. The barking of orders, circuitous logic and routine patronization of others has come from one Mid-Western corner of the room from the beginning, teeming with anger management issues and a palpable double-standard of mutual respect in written discourse.
We don’t have to look far to see examples of your abrasive and insulting prose.
The Dan Molter, on the other hand, had his reprehensible conduct soaked, squeegeed and waxed to shiny, unincriminating perfection. Thankfuly, there’s pastebin: http://pastebin.com/g4PuJz9Q
I’m not much interested in debating you further, primarily because you ignored my arguments from last spring, choosing instead to trot out a strawman “Yellow is not a valid genus”. My argument was never about yellow being a genus. In fact I clearly noted that in English the general term comes second and the specific term comes first, hence the genus of “Yellow Morel” is morel, not yellow. Also note that I never claimed that all yellow morels must be yellow; in fact I demonstrated that yellow morels start out gray. The name “Yellow morel” denotes a taxon in the same way that Polyporus badius denotes a taxon. Color terms that appear in taxa names, either Latin or English, are only loosely descriptive – they do not indicate a necessary condition for membership in the taxon. Though taxa names can be meaningful, their primary function is to rigidly designate the taxon.
I’m not either, Danny, honestly. It’s like arguing with a drill sergeant on Datura. I’d restate my case, but I don’t think it would do any good. God knows, it hasn’t yet.
If you would like to engage me further Danny, then I require that you refrain from insulting me, and I require that you not employ logical fallacies such as the strawman argument. You might also someday consider employing the principle of charity.
I wouldn’t like to engage you further, Danny. The site and it’s developers would like for me not to engage you further. Your blood pressure and general peace of mind would like for me to not engage you further. You may not know it, but every one of these comments ends with a proverbial burrying of my half of the hatchet. Alas, you seem hell bent on unearthing it and hacking away about once a month.
As for the name Morchella esculenta clade, I do not think this is a good name. We do not have evidence that all yellow morels are part of a monophyletic group. What we now consider to be yelow morels might well turn out to be paraphyletic or polyphyletic. Secondly I have not seen concrete evidence that the genealogical nexus around Morchella is organized in clades. Some groups of organism resist phylogenetic classification due to a history of reticulate evolution. Cladistics is but one school of taxomonic thought, and as I explained in another morel thread, the very concept of clade is not without its problems. If it does turn out that all the yellow morels line up in a nice clade, then I’m not sure the best name for that clade would be Morchella esculenta clade; it might be given a different name.
Finally, the name Morchella esculenta clade has not been validly published, so it is no more ‘valid’ than yellow morel; it just sounds more scientificy
Good luck at school.