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Observation: Tapinella atrotomentosa (Batsch) Šutara (10660)
About Tapinella atrotomentosa (Batsch) Šutara
Draft for Wild Mushrooms of the Northeastern United States by Herbert Baker (private)
When: 2008-08-12
Collection location: Forest near Elgin St., Pembroke, Ontario, Canada [Click for map]
Who: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Might be a polypore or an agaric. Brown, a bit bigger than my hand, at the base of a dead pine tree.

Species Lists:
Summer Mushrooms of Eastern Ontario
Mushrooms of Eastern Ontario
08 – August Mushrooms of Eastern Ontario
Proposed Names: Propose Another Name
Proposed Name User Community Vote
  Tuberale   -32% (6)  
Recognized by sight: Impossible to be certain since underside of cap not shown. But the coarse scales remind me of Polyporus squamosus.
  myxomop   10% (3)  
Recognized by sight
  Amanita virosa   38% (5)   Eye3Eyes3
Recognized by sight

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice Eyes3 = Current consensus
Comments: Add Comment

Created: 2011-11-16 19:52:20 WET (+0000)
By: Tim Sage (T. Sage)
Summary: Well put, Danny.

I see this argument come up all too often on here.

174060

Created: 2011-11-16 19:52:10 WET (+0000)
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
Summary: But every basidio is “more than just a basidiomycete”.

But I do think it’s dubious design at best that the site doesn’t make a decent distinction between “I think it’s an X” and “I think it’s an X, but I don’t think it’s any of the more specific things suggested”, since that does seem to motivate people to take an obvious basidio and vote “as if!” for “basidiomycota”, which in turn seems ridiculous.

54965

Created: 2011-11-16 18:57:53 WET (+0000)
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
Summary: if

an observation were clearly an Agaricus, having that proposed name take precedence in the title would require any broader terms be voted down. Basidiomycota, Agaricomycetes, Agaricales and Agaricaceae might all be part of an Agaricus’ taxonomic placement, but none of those terms is as precise as Agaricus, nor is Agaricus as precise as its genus-species binomial.

Voting down Basidiomycota isn’t because it’s not a basidiomycete, it’s because it’s more than just a basidiomycete.

43847

Created: 2011-11-16 17:33:09 WET (+0000)
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
Summary: Perhaps, but

there’s a world of difference between saying it is in Agaricomycetes and saying it’s not in Basidiomycota. Particularly when those two things are mutually exclusive. :)

54965

Created: 2011-11-16 08:24:28 WET (+0000)
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
Summary: Basidiomycota

encompasses Tremellomycetes and Dacrymycetes in addition to all the other Basidiomycota. Agaricoymycetes is the most specific a name proposal possible for a basidio that doesn’t fall into either of those two jelly classes (Auriculariales still falls within Agaricoymycetes), but can’t be determined further.

For an observation that “might be a polypore or an agaric,” this is the best possible name.

43847

Created: 2011-11-16 07:18:46 WET (+0000)
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
Summary: What on Earth

possessed someone to vote against Basidiomycota? It sure doesn’t look like an asco …

54965

Created: 2008-09-12 00:56:03 WEST (+0100)
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
Summary: Not P. squamosus

This doesn’t look like any Dryad’s Saddle I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot. The cap doesn’t have the characteristic scales, nor is it depressed closer to the trunk.

54965


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