Observation 10026: Cantharellus persicinus R.H. Petersen
When: 2008-08-24
No herbarium specimen

Proposed Names

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Recognized by sight
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Eye3
Recognized by sight
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Recognized by sight: If found with softwoods, C. roseotinctus. If found with hardwoods, C. aurora-borealis.
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Used references: Found in hardwoods

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chanterelle colors
By: John Plischke (John Plischke)
2010-07-19 20:06:49 CDT (-0500)

if its peach then Cantharellus persicinus seems a good fit. I have seen it in WV, PA and again this weekend in Ohio. Want to talk about strange colored chanterelles a collection from ohio came in that was green. Ok really with green tones and a distinctive green cap margin. And it was not from algae lol. I had real trouble photographing it. It looked like a smaller Cantharellus appalachiensis in size but lighter and with the green tonee on the caps. Iron sulfate had no reaction to it. A few appeared to trun reddish where broke after an extended time.

And
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-07-18 21:18:27 CDT (-0500)

since Amanita muscaria var. persicina is also a peach-colored mushroom variety, one can reasonably guess that the root persicin has something to do with peaches or their color.

if persicinus is the accepted name for an eastern NA peach-colored chanterelle…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2010-07-18 10:02:56 CDT (-0500)

and the color in the photographs is true, then C. persicinus it must be.

It would help
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2008-09-13 20:43:15 CDT (-0500)

It would help if we had photographs taken by a camera without color problems. :-)

Interesting collection!
By: Nathan Wilson (nathan)
2008-09-13 20:26:38 CDT (-0500)

It would be great to have more detailed notes on it. The hymenium looks too smooth and the pileus is too reddish for me to call it C. cibarius. Without concrete descriptions of the specimen and the other names (C. roseotinctus and C. aurora-borealis), I’d just leave it at Cantharellus sp..

lost in translation
By: Dan Molter (shroomydan)
2008-09-13 15:32:07 CDT (-0500)

“Chanterelle” is the French and English name, “phifferling” the German name, and “Cantharellus cibarus” the Latin name. All these names are synonyms in the sense that they share a common extension, they all refer to the same kind of thing.

By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2008-09-13 02:32:53 CDT (-0500)

Macowanites are just Russula that evolved adaptations to arid conditions, near as I can tell. I even guessed as much long before seeing similar ideas in published literature, and despite the usual taxonomy sticking them way the hell over in Gasteromycetes.

Russula? Or Macowanites?
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2008-09-13 01:50:40 CDT (-0500)

At least some species of Cantharellus are known. Personally, I just pick and eat ’em.

Taxonomic mess
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2008-09-12 14:54:54 CDT (-0500)

If you think the chanterelle taxonomy is in bad shape, try looking at Russula someday. Russula taxonomy is a joke.

OK. Still wrong.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2008-09-12 14:50:41 CDT (-0500)

C. aurora-borealis reported near oak in CA.

With hardwoods.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2008-09-12 14:47:29 CDT (-0500)

I don’t know what this species is, then. It looks more like C. roseotinctus. But C. aurora-borealis is associated only with conifers that I am aware of. When I suggested C. aurora-borealis, it was with the suspicion you had found it near Pinus.

C. aurora-borealis
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2008-09-12 14:44:25 CDT (-0500)

Reported from California and at least Southern Oregon. Named (tongue-firmly-in-cheek) for David Aurora. Borealis refers to both the coloration of the last 1/2 inch of cap edge, and the vibrant colors seen in the aurora borealis. I believe it is often associated with Sitka spruce, at leat that’s what I find nearby, often old-growth Sitka spruce, but not always.

BTW, I agree with your assessment of the Cantharelleaceae in North America. Badly in need of revision and DNA analysis.

current chanterelle nomenclature a confusing mess…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2008-09-12 09:39:42 CDT (-0500)

…yes, cibarius has been rejected for North America, but new published names are not quite in place for many populations. I have never heard of C. aurora-borealis, but wouldn’t that be a far north not southern USA species??!
Roseocanus does occur in CA and the PNW, and has a distinctly pinkish cap. Darvin has collected this species, as have I. When the name is not quite yet official, try putting it in quotations. For now, cibarius is probably your best bet; at least we all agree that it is a chanterelle!

I heard a number of SE USA professional mycologists refer to “cibarius” as “americanus” this summer, but it is in process of publication, and I don’t know its range of occurence.

And even Index Fungorum can be wrong or out of date! After all, it takes a human to make the changes, and those changes are coming fast and furious!

Is cibarus proper? I’m lost. Here’s a previous comment
By: J. Williams (jwilliams)
2008-09-11 22:49:13 CDT (-0500)

By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)

Summary: Not C. cibarius

Comment:
Sorry to disagree, but according to Dr. Eric Danell, who has actually cultivated C. cibarius, that species does not exist in the United States that is known. Your specimen may well be C. roseotinctus, a species I find but rarely, so I’m not positive about that identification either."

Cantharellus cibarius
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2008-09-11 22:38:57 CDT (-0500)

Why isn’t this a regular chanterelle (Cantharellus cibarius)?

Cantharellus roseotinctus and Cantharellus aurora-borealis are names that do NOT appear in Index Fungorum or any book that I can find. All of the southern field guides list it as Cantharellus cibarius.

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