Observation 103364: Amanita sect. Lepidella sensu Bas

-Found a lot of these Lepidellas fruiting on a ridge today, some in a huge half-ring -mostly under Virginia Pine in mixed woods (which includes Hemlock), although this one was under an oak

-About half of them have very little or no odor. The others have a faint odor -I think “Old Ham” would probably describe it best.

-I have been confused in the past about whether these are A. cokeri or A. subcokeri. A recent picture from another fruiting of these that I labeled A. subcokeri drew a response from RET that “Large, easily removed warts are not typical of A. subcokeri.” I rubbed the warts on the cap of one of these, and sure enough, they do rub off pretty easily.

-I’m also confused about A. subcokeri odor. Would it (could it?) have that odor of old ham? Or, is it typically oderless?

-If it isn’t A. cokeri or A. subcokeri, what are the other possibilities?

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By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2012-08-01 03:30:20 EEST (+0300)



spores and note on reddish stain on bulb
By: Steve Roberts (Mushroom World)
2012-07-31 07:38:11 EEST (+0300)


There is definitely a lot of reddish staining occurring -mainly on the scales on the bulb, and sometimes the warts on the cap. We don’t have clay soils on the Cumberland Plateau -the typical soil here is loamy.

I got a really nice spore print -the spores are off-white to pale cream. The spores measure 11 – 15 × 7 -8, which looks like a nice fit for A. cokeri. But, since reddish stains are atypical of A. cokeri, where does that leave us? Hmmmmmm


Hi, Steve.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2012-07-30 16:15:19 EEST (+0300)

Large, easily removed warts, double annulus, recurved scales on the bulb, no odor at first (followed by “chlorine”-“old ham” odors in age), would all point to A. cokeri.

The reddish staining on the bulbs might be due to soil (red clay?). If not, then this is a confusing factor because coker doesn’t normally show reddish staining on the bulb (subcokeri often does).

The spore size and shape of the two taxa differ fairly strongly. I can send you a .PNG file comparing the sporographs of cokeri and subcokeri if you’d like to add it to your observation photos.

Their is another taxon that Dr. Jenkins described, A. marginata, which I have never found. Among other things, it should have a cap with a thin layer projecting beyond the ends of the gills for several mm in what was called a “sterile margin”. This taxon has smaller spores than both A. cokeri and A. subcokeri. A sporograph comparison of all three taxa is available on the techtab of this taxon page:


Very best,


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