Observation 103737: Cortinarius subolivascens A.H. Sm.
When: 2012-07-28
Herbarium specimen reported

Notes: Herbarium Specimen: UBC FF23342
Collected with: Danny Miller & Bryce Kendrick
Original Herbarium Label: Cortinarius sp.
Danny Miller’s ID: Cortinarius subolivascens A.H. Sm.

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Solution has been found
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2012-08-19 06:24:08 PDT (-0700)

I have been using MO for storing all the additional material (photos, microphotos, drawings)that goes with the real herbarium collection. This provisional would not have to comply with the MO naming conventions and would survive all the name changes made by Consensus.

I came to the agreement with the MO administrators that I would use something like “Original Herbarium Label:” in our notes to accomplish this. I hope that this feature will be once implemented as an extra field.

Under normal circumstances
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2012-08-04 12:12:11 PDT (-0700)

Under normal circumstances, I would label this observation “Cortinarius sp.”, but Mushroom Observer changes it automatically to “Cortinarius (Pers.) Gray”.
Let’s leave it that way and let’s not waste our time on this useless discussion.

i agree with Byrain.
By: Richard and Danielle Kneal (bloodworm)
2012-08-04 11:11:42 PDT (-0700)
By: Byrain
2012-08-04 11:05:16 PDT (-0700)

I’m not sure whether Cortinarius or Cortinarius sp. is better, nor do I really have a strong opinion on the matter, but when I or someone else is going to want to find some Cortinarius pictures they’re not going to search for “Unknown cort”. I think it would be great if things like this could be resolved without confusing the database, if you press the “Send a Comment” link on the top left side of the page you can send your concerns directly to an administrator. Personally, I think an open discussion board for site related issues would be nice (Perhaps for mycological topics that aren’t connected to a specific observation too).

now that I read your explanation
By: Britney Ramsey (Riverdweller)
2012-08-04 09:16:16 PDT (-0700)

I feel silly for weighing in!

By: Richard and Danielle Kneal (bloodworm)
2012-08-04 09:08:16 PDT (-0700)

so you preferred it the older way before the name changes were made?
someone has to receive credit for the name, no??

Why not just “Cortinarius sp.”?
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2012-08-04 09:02:24 PDT (-0700)
Why the “Unknown cort?”
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2012-08-04 08:56:55 PDT (-0700)

I am an old herbarium rat and in cases like this one, I would write “Cortinarius sp.” However, Mushroom Observer forces me to use “Cortinarius (Pers.) Gray” instead. We, herbarium rats, do not use the authorities in the names of taxa higher than species on our herbarium labels. If you go through my submissions, you will see that I have been using names of Czech composers as the authorities of those higher than species units (not speaking about some Czech five-letter words) instead. [In Czech language, most equivalents of English four-letter words have five letters.] I am getting heart attack when I see the names such as “Fungi Bartlet”. I subscribe to the Christian Morgenstern’s principle that the things that one cannot change ought to be ridiculed: http://bomi.ou.edu/ben/ben434.html
“Unknown cort” looks to me better than “Cortinarius (Pers.) Gray”. Why am I doing this? I love and admire Mushroom Observer, but the more I love it, the more I hate some of its features that stick out as a sore thumb in it. Adolf Ceska

By: Richard and Danielle Kneal (bloodworm)
2012-08-04 08:08:09 PDT (-0700)

“Unknown Cort?”
why not just go with Cortinarius??

Closer to Cortinarius subviolascens Rob. Henry ex Nezdojm.
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2012-08-03 13:16:18 PDT (-0700)

According to Prof. Ammirati, this fungus could be closer to Cortinarius subviolascens Rob. Henry ex Nezdojm. than to Cortinarius variicolor.

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