Observation 112464: Clitocybe
When: 2012-10-05
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Guys,
By: Gerhard Koller (Gerhard)
2012-10-08 11:24:13 CDT (-0400)

what about Lepista glaucocana? Do you have it in North America? It fits nuda in all aspects except pale lilac to violet whitish colors as shown in this find here.
I would rule out L. irina, this species never has violet or lilac hues just sordid whitish to cream-grey tones at least the mushroom in original sense over here in Central Europe.
Besides there are a few more very rare ones in Lepista like Lepista graveolens which should be easily distinguished by its strong smell though.

I would say that…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2012-10-08 09:28:47 CDT (-0400)

there is no consistent color/fading pattern for C. nuda; at least not in my experience.

Some collections which I have IDed as C. nuda (Lepista nuda) have shown virtually no purple/lilac. Usually, the weather has been dry when I find these very pale ones. So maybe the caps fade on account of being hygrophanous. But I have seen examples where newly emerged buttons are pale.

I don’t find many C. irina. The few I do find are in forested areas. I sometimes notice a yellow tint on the cap.

Telling the difference between nuda and irina is something that I have found to be somewhat perplexing. For some collections I have made which looked to be a mixture of nuda and irina I have arrived at ID by examining thick spore prints. The spore print for C. irina is very light.

however
By: Rocky Houghtby
2012-10-08 08:11:23 CDT (-0400)

C. nuda fades from the disc outward. Does it not?

The “minutely lilac disc”…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2012-10-08 07:59:08 CDT (-0400)

seems to me to be the clincher here. Irina does not show any lilac tones.

I have made many collections of nuda that were very pale. Often there are pale ones growing along with purple ones. Or maybe a flush of pale ones comes on the heels of the purple ones… or vice-verse.

it could be either or both
By: Rocky Houghtby
2012-10-07 14:43:30 CDT (-0400)

I suppose. I don’t have enough experience with the genus to alter my confidence level. As I said, I found lilac buttons Friday and returned Saturday to photograph buff colored mushrooms with stained stems. It was near freezing Friday night and perhaps this played a part in the coloration. For all that I tried to compose the 1st shot, it doesn’t really portray the still minutely lilac disc. Not that it would have much bearing on the ID here.

Thanks for all the input guys!

The 2nd pic…
By: Byrain
2012-10-07 14:14:36 CDT (-0400)

could be C. nuda, its still kind of pale and I would of liked to see the underside of the big specimen. The first pic has too many completely non-lilac specimens to be C. nuda, especially on the gills and stem. I liken the C. nuda smell to frozen orange juice and I don’t have experience with C. irina.

I usually get the scent
By: Eric Smith (esmith)
2012-10-07 09:19:19 CDT (-0400)

of Fruity Pebbles when I sniff a blewit. C. irina makes my nose curl.

Smells
By: Rocky Houghtby
2012-10-07 09:05:06 CDT (-0400)

Like fresh cut grass. I thought this was pretty fragrant, I asked my wife to smell them this morning and her nose curled up…

Rocky,
By: Eric Smith (esmith)
2012-10-07 05:29:43 CDT (-0400)

What was the odor? C. nuda and C. irina smell decidedly different. The second photo seems to be C. nuda. The first one looks like C. irina.

Byrain
By: Rocky Houghtby
2012-10-07 01:34:19 CDT (-0400)

These were all strongly lilac yesterday. This can be seen in the second photo.

I returned today in hopes that the buttons had gotten a little bigger and most had faded to the buff color in the first picture.

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