Observation 121794: Panaeolus papilionaceus (Bull.) Quél.
When: 2012-12-24
Who: zaca
No herbarium specimen

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OK! You convinced me.
By: zaca
2013-01-01 14:44:26 CST (-0500)

I will create a separated observation for the litle ones. Thanks again, Byrain.

Zaca
By: Byrain
2013-01-01 14:02:51 CST (-0500)

P.papilionaceus is not so striate, the smaller ones don’t look immature to me, just smaller. Right away they remind me of Deconica montana from above, but I’m not really sure what you would have on dung in Portugal. :)

You can also find a picture of the pin stage of P. papilionaceus here – http://mushroomobserver.org/image/show_image/131448?obs=62432&q=xS2R

Thanks, Byrain, for …
By: zaca
2013-01-01 13:57:16 CST (-0500)

trying to help. I hope you understood that that my previous comment was not for you. I imagine that you are more experienced in these genus than myself. But what is wrong in my arguing?

Im quite sure
By: Byrain
2013-01-01 13:49:21 CST (-0500)

The smaller specimens are not Panaeolus papilionaceus as the larger specimens are likely, I would need to see the gills to be sure of Deconica though…

Wait a minute …
By: zaca
2013-01-01 13:47:44 CST (-0500)

Because someone says that the young ones could be of a different species or even genus, this is not necessarily true. I wouldn’t be so quick tyo say that this is a mixed collection. Moreover, I was looking for a description of P. papilionaceus and at “mushroom expert” I found the following related to the cap:
“Cap: 1-5 cm; obtusely conical to bell shaped or nearly spherical when young, expanding slightly (often to broadly bell-shaped) with age; dry; smooth to silky when young, often becoming finely hairy or prominently cracked with age; sometimes with a reticulate network of raised ridges; whitish, gray, brownish, brown, or reddish brown; sometimes developing olive discolorations; the margin hung with white, toothlike partial veil fragments, at least when young (check this feature in the field, since the fragments are easily shed in collection bags)”.
In my young specimens in the first photo the form is correct, the colors are that mentioned in the description above and there is plenty of evidence of veil fragments. So, I believe that they make part of the same collection than the mature ones.

First photo
By: Byrain
2013-01-01 06:04:14 CST (-0500)

Looks like Deconica, the big specimens are Panaeolus.

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