Observation 12527: Cystodermella cinnabarina (Alb. & Schwein.) Harmaja
When: 2008-10-12
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Identification by Dr. Lorelei Norvell, assisted by Dr. Judy Rogers.

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and you wonder why some taxonomists drink! ;)
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2008-10-13 18:52:09 CDT (-0400)
No, no that is certainly not true…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-10-13 15:13:38 CDT (-0400)

No, certainly Cantharellus cinnabarinus is a different species. This was published as an equiv. for Cystoderma cinnabarinum, but that must have been a mistake… got to love errors in publications…

I’m pretty sure…
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2008-10-13 15:07:48 CDT (-0400)

…that this is not the species usually referred to by the name Cantharellus cinnabarinus.

Well, as far as I can tell…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-10-13 14:59:39 CDT (-0400)

Lets see if I can clear this up?

1829 – pub. Agaricus cinnabarinus (which was promoted to species from previous Agaricus granulosus var. cinnabarinus).
1870 – pub. Agaricus terreii

1889 – pub. Cystoderma cinnabarinum, new genus so species moved from Agaricus.

1978 – pub. Cystoderma terreyi, moving Agaricus terreii to new genus.

Somewhere since then, these are called equiv., And along the way a number of other pub. genera (Lepiota, Armillaria, Cantherellus) for this species also called equiv., so the oldest name Agaricus cinnabarinus takes precedence, which was moved to Cystoderma cinnabarinum. So that is the prefered name, until…

2002 – Cystodermella cinnabarina, moved to a new genus because of pigmented pileocystidia in this species not seen in other species of genus.

Since then there seems to be pub. of Cystoderma cinnabarinum, so perhaps that one is not deprecated, but just an equivilent, and all others are deprecated. It depends if you want to recognize if presence of pileocystidia promotes this to a new genus, or just a section of Cystoderma.

So, this is my understanding after 15 mins of research on this one species:

Equiv. names = Cystoderma cinnabarinum, Cystodermella cinnabarina

Deprecated names = Agaricus cinnabarinus, Agaricus granulosus var. cinnabarinus, Agaricus terreyi, Agaricus terrei, Agaricus terreii, Armillaria cinnabarina, Cystoderma terreyi, Cystoderma terrei, Cystoderma terreii, Lepiota cinnabarina, Lepiota terreyi, Cantharellus cinnabarinus, Chanterel cinnabarinus

And I think that is it?

Now I’m confused
By: Nathan Wilson (nathan)
2008-10-13 14:14:11 CDT (-0400)

Doug, are you saying that Cystodermella cinnabarina seems to be the best name or Cystoderma terreii/terreyi?

Oy, this one confused me…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-10-13 11:56:14 CDT (-0400)

This was a new name for me, and then I saw that it says this is equiv. to Cystoderma cinnabarinum. It turns out it is the other way around, C. cinnabarinum is the accepted name, where Agaricus cinnabarinus was published in 1829, and Agaricus terreyi was published in 1870. And then it doesn’t matter, because all of these are deprecated for Cystodermella cinnabarina (2002).

And in the end this is a spelling error anyway, it should be Cystoderma terreii
(two i’s), or Cystoderma terreyi (with a ‘y’).

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