Observation 129519: Helvella solitaria P. Karst.

When: 2013-02-26

Collection location: Braga, Portugal [Click for map]

Who: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)

Specimen available

Under Poplars, near the river.

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Recognized by sight: correct name for Helvella queletii
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Mycotaxon 119
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2013-03-01 18:23:20 GMT (+0000)

would have been interesting to read, but it’s not available online…

H. solitaria and allies
By: Nicolas VAN VOOREN (NicoV)
2013-03-01 18:18:24 GMT (+0000)

Thanks Elsa for putting the links to Ascofrance, it gives a good summary of the taxonomic “problem” around the name H. solitaria.
Index Fungorum and Mycobank focus on nomenclatural matters of fungal names, taxonomic opinions is another thing.
You can also read the paper published by Fidel Landeros et al. in Mycotaxon (vol. 119, 2012) where the type specimens of H. queletii and H. solitaria was both revised. They conclude these two names refer the same taxon.

I wonder
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2013-03-01 18:18:09 GMT (+0000)

why no interpretations (Dissing, Harmaja etc) of Helvella solitaria consider Karsten’s original description?

I don’t know
By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2013-03-01 18:04:34 GMT (+0000)

the habitat of H. confusa, but this habitat is consistant with H. solitaria. I haven’t read this until now, but now it matches even better. http://www.ascofrance.com/...

They have all
By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2013-03-01 15:10:29 GMT (+0000)

open cupola, of course when two grow close to each other, the lacking of space can make some can deform a little bit.

To me
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2013-03-01 15:04:26 GMT (+0000)

this looks closer to H. confusa, not exactly like queletii (the one with cups becoming more or less saddle-shaped).

My impression of this genus is that delimitation between species sometimes is impossible, with forms continuing from one to another, both in shape an colours.

I found
By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2013-03-01 12:51:57 GMT (+0000)

this description http://www.asturnatura.com/especie/helvella-solitaria.html. As I realize, there are contradictory descriptions.

However, these ones have a stipe with even more than 1 cm, and few caps larger than 4cm, in this case depending on the opening of the cupola, perhaps.

I’m not convinced
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2013-03-01 10:52:19 GMT (+0000)

about this being Helvella solitaria.

Karsten describes solitaria with a cup that is 1 cm broad and stem that is 1×2 mm..!

[edited] And neither MycoBank nor IndexFungorum treat queletii and solitaria as synonyms.

Correct name
By: Nicolas VAN VOOREN (NicoV)
2013-03-01 09:23:37 GMT (+0000)

The correct name of this species is Helvella solitaria. H. queletii is a posterior synonym.

By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2013-02-26 19:31:08 GMT (+0000)

came early this year.

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