Observation 134053: Morchella Dill. ex Pers.
When: 2013-05-18

Notes: After I scouted and found this location on Friday, on Saturday, Fletcher and Peter Bacon followed the seep up a very steep slope to discover hundreds of these, fruiting in water, on banks and on wet wood!


Proposed Names

42% (4)
Recognized by sight: creekside morels. very tall and elongated, with a straight, rounded stipe. much less substantial than other species fruiting at the same time.
7% (3)
Recognized by sight
29% (4)
Recognized by sight: very thin fleshed, elongate, tall burn morels, fruiting along a creek in a burned forest. not just where (in a burn, in a creek), but the morel gestalt is unique to the burn morels.
Used references: dead ringer for Daniel Winkler’s Morchella anthrocophila, which has been combined w/eximia since it is DNA identical.

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I sincerely believe
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-05-07 19:28:09 PDT (-0700)

that this will turn out to be eximia.

MO voting not with standing.

no surprises here
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-14 08:36:56 PDT (-0700)

but I can always hope for positive change on your side.

By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2017-04-14 08:31:07 PDT (-0700)
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-14 08:01:41 PDT (-0700)

If you have DNA determined eximia, please share with the rest of us. Arguments in a vacuum help no one. There are ZERO obsies of DNA determined eximia here.

We are all attempting to form new morel species concepts, and yes, DNA can be part of the methodology. But as you well know, we are all trying to find those clues that allow us to ID w/out that DNA, which is of course impractical for every mushroom we find.

Go ahead and prove me wrong and show that you can share and care here in the MO community.

because all morels in a species look alike, right?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-13 07:32:20 PDT (-0700)

I figure if I just keep pushing this, eventually someone will actually do the DNA on these unique morels. Yesterday I was convinced that this was anthracophila, but it looks like the photo that Daniel had up on his website was of a mystery morel, not of anthracophila/exima.

So, back to the drawing board.

As I have been digging deep into Morchellaville, I noted how much our “knowledge” has changed over the past decade. I suspect we will see even more change in the next ten years. So, I am not too attached to whatever beliefs of the moment that I hold. All morel theories subject to change!

DNA is a part of the puzzle, but mostly wholly insufficient to tell these mushrooms apart in the field, which is our goal. Or at least my goal.

Glad to see that you can’t keep away from MO, Noah, even if you aren’t very “sharey” with your own obsies. I welcome all voices. How bout you?

I really hesiate to say anything on this observation…
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2017-04-12 20:24:21 PDT (-0700)

But COME ON… Just because it grows near water, it’s M. eximia???. This looks nothing like (DNA confirmed) collections of M. eximia I have from the Sierra.

have you actually collected these thin fleshed water associated burn morels?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-12 06:56:16 PDT (-0700)

because once you do, you will probably “get it.”

brunnea too small
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-11 16:34:04 PDT (-0700)

and the thin fleshed, large and elongated fbs fit this sp. to a “T.”

that famous “burn morels with a water association,” too.

I don’t think that all of our western morel sp. have been sorted out…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-05-30 08:44:29 PDT (-0700)

these appear to be exclusively found in wet areas. they are certainly in the elata clade, but the pits here are few and quite elongated, and the fruit bodies quite fragile.

here’s Kuo’s webpage: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/morchella_brunnea.html

burns or naturals?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-05-22 07:27:20 PDT (-0700)

Yes, naturals, but in this particular case, the creek was in the middle of a burn. I also see these morels in non-burn areas tho, so it’s the mossy creek banks not the burn that is their association.


Cool morel obs, Debbie!
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2013-05-21 17:21:56 PDT (-0700)

From your comments, it sounds like this is a not uncommon type? Only morels I’ve ever seen growing in a water-saturated habitat were fire morels. Are the ones seen here “naturals”?

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