Observation 136871: Agaricus L.
When: 2013-06-18
No herbarium specimen

Notes: I beat this one up on accident, but I was still hoping for an ID.
I’ve never found an Amanita with brown gills.
It was under oaks, and the veil was very well developed and thick, like an Agaricus.

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it won’t happen immediately…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-06-20 23:11:25 PKT (+0500)

just something to keep in mind.

one issue for a full-on NAMA foray is finding a reasonably priced place for around 200 people to stay, with space for lectures and labs, near prime hunting habitat.

Seems as though, with you guys already combing FL for interesting fungi, a Florida foray is a reasonable goal for the future. Wouldn’t it be great to get all these cool fungi IDed and vouchered, in a wonderful group effort?

A smaller, regional foray is another possibility.

And hey, maybe all of you dedicated mushroomers and MO posters could start a FL Club? Like, in your spare time…ha, ha.

Debbie
By: Justin (Tmethyl)
2013-06-20 22:43:15 PKT (+0500)

I am intrigued and I will certainly participate in any forays and do everything I can to help.
I am very limited though as already stated. I not only work 60hr/wk but I am also a fungi cultivator, mostly medicinal species. Ganoderma, Maitake, Trametes and Cordyceps.

and ya know, our Floridian fellas…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-06-20 21:05:26 PKT (+0500)

NAMA might just want to join you in your FL happy hunting grounds some day, for a foray. I happen to have the ear of the current NAMA President, and no small influence.

That way, we could all meet up and share the FL myco-love, and even give you some assistance on documenting all of these cool fungi that you are finding! ;)

We appreciate all that you do, esp. in light of your many time constraints. Now THAT’s myco-dedication! Jobs AND school AND collecting and documenting??!

Very impressive.

Thanks for sharing your time and efforts with the MO community.

I got my mushroom goggles on Myke
By: Justin (Tmethyl)
2013-06-20 04:21:18 PKT (+0500)

I too have had an extremely hard time keeping up with specimens, and while working. Here is a few species I found yesterday, I thought the pic was pretty cool
http://mushroomobserver.org/136908?q=1JoME

But I will be on the lookout for more of these, and we need to coordinate a foray sometime Myke. Maybe Me, you, Suchen, Bloodworm, Stonesun, etc.

Nice!
By: Benjamin Dion (MykesLogos)
2013-06-20 03:59:06 PKT (+0500)

Cool find! We’re always finding the same things around the same time… call me next time so we can wear the same shirt, too haha.

There were multiple of these where I was… I walked right past at least 100 mushrooms while out there… I specifically went out to my chanterelle patches (for research in MI), gymnopilus logs (for future research here in FL), the new amanita (for ret), and panaeolus and russula (for research in TN)… only had an hour and a half out there before I had to go to work… and got back to my car with pounds of all those (among a couple varieties of wild citrus, bay leaves, cuttings from wild passion vine, etc…

I’ve dried/spore printed about 200-220 or so specimens over the last week while working 40 hours and in school full-time… so don’t be hating yall :)

Let’s find more of these Tmethyl….

cheers

Thank you all
By: Justin (Tmethyl)
2013-06-20 02:03:54 PKT (+0500)

I understand your frustrations my friends.
This specimen is on its way to you Christian.
And I have my eyes peeled for more collections.

In fact not 5 mins ago I found a few intriguing Amanita which I will creat an observation for tonight.. Happy hunting guys and gals.

There’s something seriously wierd with the pileus surface.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-06-20 01:59:39 PKT (+0500)

It seems as though there is a somewhat disorganized and rather thick layer of hyphae covering the cap.

If this is an Amanita, that is not an Amanita pileipellis, and we are either looking (in BOTH CASES)

(1) at the flesh of the cap (but Amanita cap flesh doesn’t have this appearance macroscopically) or

(2) at a very unusual universal veil (not anything like I have ever seen in Amanita) or

(3) at a fungus attacking the mushroom or

(4) at something else.

Like I said, I’ll be interested to hear what Christian turns up.

R.

I’m curious to know what you find out, Christian.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-06-20 01:51:34 PKT (+0500)

Very best,

Rod

I don’t think anyone
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2013-06-20 01:42:34 PKT (+0500)

intended to be rude, if it came across that way I apologize on my own part.
I know collecting can be a burden. It’s just that we become involved in these observations and can’t make much forward progress without some hard evidence.

Thanks for your efforts in saving this one!

I’d be happy to take a look at it, here’s my contact:

Christian Schwarz care of Chris Lay, Curator of Museum of Natural History Collections Environmental Studies Department, University of California Santa Cruz, 1156 High Street Santa Cruz, CA, 95064

your obsie is continuing a discussion…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-06-20 01:40:36 PKT (+0500)

about this very intriguing mushroom currently popping in FL.

turned out, after much ID argument, the first one seen, by Mykes, didn’t get collected after all. then we see this, another chance! and there is “no specimen” listed on your obsie.

so, we were a bit disappointed, but no rudeness intended.

yay you, for collecting it. that will go a long way towards getting you a decent ID, or at least a ballpark ID.

Heck, even a confirmed genus would be nice. ;)

if you could send it to someone with a scope that would be lovely. Rod, myself, Christian or maybe even Bloodworm, who is in your state.

I collected and dried this specimen.
By: Justin (Tmethyl)
2013-06-20 01:10:18 PKT (+0500)

Is it really necessary to be rude about it though?
Some people collect some don’t.

micro characters
By: Alfredo Justo (Fredo)
2013-06-20 01:02:06 PKT (+0500)

as Debbie said micro characters will solve the Amanita/Agaricus dilemma quickly

it does look like an Amanita to me, and that color of the gills is present at least in some European members of sect. Lepidella

see for example: http://mushroomobserver.org/134101

maybe one of you Florida folks can actually bring home one of these…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-06-20 00:54:56 PKT (+0500)

and then we won’t have to just argue macro characters.

I’m gonna take a wild guess
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2013-06-20 00:32:07 PKT (+0500)

that there isn’t a specimen available for this one either…

Once again: very bulbous and volvate base, UV remnants on cap, and stature suggest Amanita

It’s definitely really looks like an Agaricus, no doubt.

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