Observation 136896: Cantharellus Adans. ex Fr.
When: 2013-06-19

Notes: Growing on gravelly/sandy substrate on roadside under mature stand of spruce (Picea glauca). Location is just south of 45th parallel by a dozen miles. Spotted this grouping on 6/17/13 when there were 3 individuals of about 1/2" tall/wide. On 6/19/13 there are 12 individuals with caps ranging from 3/8" to 1" in diameter. Weather has been cool and rainy for most of the last month with some warm dry days interspersed. Last rain 6/13/13. I will continue to monitor this patch but as the slugs have already discovered them I have taken a specimen for drying. The color of these are egg yolk with solid white flesh.

6/20/13: Now 17 individuals. Largest: cap dia. 1", stem length 1", stem dia. 1/2". Took 2 more specimens for drying.

6/22/13: No additional individuals. Existing individuals have not grown and have begun to fade in color. Took 3 specimens for drying from this initial grouping of 17 and 2 more from adjacent grouping of about the same size 4 meters away.

6/25/13: Sent dried FB’s to Matthew Foltz at the University of Michigan Herbarium.

6/28/13: First meaningful precipitation since 6/13/13. I will monitor specimens and take a spore print soon. Dried specimens arrived in Michigan in good condition and will be frozen for 5 days at -20C before being accessioned.

7/1/30: FB’s have grown substantially—up to 7 cm cap and stem 4 cm x 2 cm. I will take a spore print then dry the FB used and send both to Matthew Foltz.

7/2/13: Spore deposit is yellow. I can’t tell whether it is yellow or orange yellow but it will be sent to Matthew Foltz for further analysis.

7/29/13: Took photos of FB’s of same grouping. Heavy rains in last week after weeks of warm dry weather. Largest FB: cap 8-10 cm., irregular; stem 5 cm. × 1 cm.

Images

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6/19/13 This specimen was dried
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6/19/13 This specimen was dried—same as 23 above
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6/19/13
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6/20/13 This specimen was dried
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6/22/13 These specimens were dried
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6/22/13 Same as above; cap color fading
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6/22/13 This conjoined specimen was dried
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Taken on 7/1/13 after hard rains on 6/28 and 6/29/13
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Taken on 7/1/13
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Taken on 7/1/13. Spore print taken from largest FB upper left corner
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Taken on 7/1/13
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Taken on 7/1/13
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Taken on 7/2/13
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7/29/13
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7/29/13
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7/29/13
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7/29/13, showing color and shape in age
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7/29/13
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7/29/13
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7/29/13

Proposed Names

23% (2)
Eyes3
Recognized by sight
19% (2)
Recognized by sight: Tom Volk proposed this name on obs 23149 for this mushroom, our common C. cibarius type associated with northern spruce
Used references: T.J. Volk and M.J. Foltz 2013 paper in Mycologia which states that chanterelles associated with northern spruce are of this species—see MO 23149
-7% (3)
Recognized by sight: have seen these for years

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus

Comments

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any DNA data yet on these curious NE chanties, Matthew?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2014-07-13 21:09:04 AST (+0300)

I can see their general resemblance to our western roseocanus, but close is no cigar!

What I heard you say below is that roseocanus is so far its closest relative, not that this is the same species.

For those C. cibarius holders-on here in NA … sorry, there is no cibarius here in NA, but lots of golden chanterelles that need new latin names!

you don’t need a latin name for fry pan treatment, though.

work in progress
By: matthewfoltz
2014-01-17 06:22:52 AST (+0300)

Still working on gathering data from the many collections that were sent in this year, including yours Terri! I am very grateful for the contributions! I will let you know as soon as I have some results!

No flash
By: Terri Clements/Donna Fulton (pinonbistro)
2013-12-25 22:55:53 AST (+0300)

but some pics were taken after many weeks of no rain so fruit bodies were pretty dried and faded. Why not cibarius? I don’t think we know yet as there is work being done now by Matthew Foltz—see his comment of 6/20/13 below —that’s why I asked where his current work stands. As a result of an earlier 2013 paper he and others published in Mycologia it seems clear that many species of Cantharellus have been lumped under the cibarius species name. They found 3 new species within 20 meters of one another in Wisconsin that were previously treated as cibarius. They also found that roseocanus was distinct from cibarius, had a much broader range than previously thought, extending east to NY, Massachusetts and Newfoundland, and is associated exclusively with northern conifers, especially spruce. So is this obs, and others like it from Maine and Canada, cibarius or roseocanus or some new species?

pink or orange
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2013-12-25 18:01:46 AST (+0300)

Some pics look like they’re pink while others look chantrelle orange. I’m wondering if the pink ones are overexposed by a flash. The dates are perfect timing for chantrelles.

I am wondering why this is not considered cibarius?

Hi Matthew
By: Terri Clements/Donna Fulton (pinonbistro)
2013-12-25 02:14:54 AST (+0300)

I don’t know what the time frame is for the work on Cantharellus that you started last summer but I was wondering whether it is possible to say yet whether or not our northeastern chanterelles are C. roseocanus.

Thanks,

Terri

just what I thought!
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-06-20 17:35:56 AST (+0300)

these definitely have the stocky nature of roseocanus, but I don’t see the pinkish cap in youth that is perhaps more common in the west.

Good question
By: matthewfoltz
2013-06-20 15:55:30 AST (+0300)

They look like the chanterelles I worked with in my study that were closely related to C. roseocanus. In that study I didn’t have enough evidence to say if the ones I worked with were C. roseocanus, all I could tell from my work was that they were more closely related to that species than any of the others I worked with (or any other chanterelles that DNA data exists for). This is one of the things I’m trying to answer in the study I’m working on right now.

Thanks, Matthew
By: Terri Clements/Donna Fulton (pinonbistro)
2013-06-20 00:07:02 AST (+0300)

The specimens in this group will be dried and sent to you along with your enclosure. I’ll be adding new photos to this observation each time I check the group. Do you want me to email you the photos or will you take them from this observation?

Would you call this roseocanus for now or just Cantharellus?

Teresa

Beautiful
By: matthewfoltz
2013-06-19 23:15:12 AST (+0300)

These are beautiful specimens!

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