Observation 14098: Sarcosomataceae Kobayasi
When: 2008-11-09
No herbarium specimen

Notes: These images and the id were sent to me (nathan) by the photographer, Fernand Therrien. I don’t know this species that well, so please suggest alternative possibilities if you have them, or vote for this name if you think it is correct.

Proposed Names

-30% (7)
Recognized by sight: Identified by photographer, Fernand Therrien.
68% (4)
Eye3 Eyes3
Recognized by sight: as per AK’s suggestion.

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in other words…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-04-10 22:42:39 WIB (+0700)

here our ID shall remain.

Micro characteristics needed
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-04-10 21:56:40 WIB (+0700)

I think that Pseudoplectania species could be only determinded with an analysis of the micro characteristics. Maybe some typical collections could be determined without it. For example if I found pediculated fruitbodies on decying wood of Abies alba, I’m sure that I’ve found P. vogesiaca. I know this species from the Bavarian Forest Nationalpark – I’m the ghostwriter of the official press information in April of the last year – here you could read the Google translated text:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/...

P. sphagnophila could be also mostly determined with the eyes because of its special ecology. Important is the connection to the moss not to decaying wood. The first founding in Bavaria of this in whole Germany rare species was made in spring 1997:

http://www.mycologia-bavarica.de/...

Finally I recommend to analyze the micro characteristics if there are any doubts.

We need microscopy
By: Sporulator
2011-04-10 15:51:02 WIB (+0700)

In my opinion, it is almost impossible to identify (Pseudo-) Plectania species correctly without microscopy. Their appearance is extremley variable, due to factors like age and humidity. And many of them are looking very similar. Some examples:

http://www.sharnoffphotos.com/...

http://www.asociacionvallisoletanademicologia.com/...

http://www.actafungorum.org/...

All I can say is, that I personally never saw Pseudoplectania growing on wood. All my finds were growing
on needles from coniferous trees. And I never saw them growing in large clusters.

Seen on wood
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-04-10 15:30:37 WIB (+0700)

not only by me – but maybe saprobic/parasitic on mosses? Another Pseudoplectania species/form grows in Sphagnum (P. sphagnophila).
Look at obs 65359 and my comments there.

AK and Roberto, how reliable do you think the following page is..?
http://www.flickriver.com/...

P. nigrella on decaying wood?
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-04-10 03:04:59 WIB (+0700)

Irene, are you sure that Pseudoplectania nigrella could also grow on decaying wood? Do you made a microscopical analysis? I always found the fungus – in Germany – on the mossy and with spruce needles covered ground. The only species I know from the Bavarian Forest Nationalpark is Pseudoplectania vogesiaca which grows on the wood of Abies alba.

Plectania rhytidia has a deeply wrinkled cup exterior…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-04-10 00:52:33 WIB (+0700)

see photos here:
http://images.google.com/images?as_q=Plectania rhytidia&biw=1219&bih=557#38;num=20&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&hl=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&imgsafe=active

I don’t think that this is it, either.

I have seen
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-04-10 00:21:49 WIB (+0700)

Pseudoplectania nigrella growing on decaying wood, but I think Plectania rhytidia is an even better suggestion.

you have an excellant eye AK…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-04-10 00:07:34 WIB (+0700)

I totally missed the subiculum and you are right about the color of the non-fertile surface. can’t be B. inquinans.

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By: Sporulator
2011-04-09 23:53:28 WIB (+0700)

Other possibilities: Plectania rhytidia or Plectania melastoma

About Pseudoplectania nigrella: They are quite common where I live but I NEVER saw Pseudoplectania nigrella growing on wood.

Bulgaria inquinans?
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-04-09 23:45:14 WIB (+0700)

I couldn’t believe that this fungus should be ‘’Bulgaria inquinans’‘. The fruitbodies grows on a dark greyish to blackish subiculum not direct on wood, they don’t have any brown hue at the sterile surface and the shape of the ascocarps is also different. I think this is another species of the family Sarcosomataceae.

Wikipedia fixed ?
By: zaca
2011-04-09 23:38:43 WIB (+0700)

The previous photograph still appears at the genus level.

Wikipedia fixed
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-04-09 23:27:31 WIB (+0700)

I fixed this issue in the english Wikipedia too.

nice thinking, IDers…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-04-09 22:38:18 WIB (+0700)

not just the wrong, wood habitat but that tightly clustered growth, and apparently thick jelly center, too.

Ironic that this photo is on the Wikipedia page illustrating Pseudoplectania nigrella. Somebody should fix that.

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By: Sporulator
2011-04-09 12:40:55 WIB (+0700)

They look like young specimens of Bulgaria inquinans.

No Pseudoplectania nigrella
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-04-09 07:54:54 WIB (+0700)

The fruitbodies of Pseudoplectania nigrella doesn’t grow on wood.

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