Observation 14313: Amanita muscaria var. persicina Dav.T. Jenkins
When: 2008-11-17
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Found in pine forest

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Recognized by sight
Used references: Mushrooms Demystified – David Arora
Mushrooms of the SE US – Bessette, Roody, Bessette, and Dunaway

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NC Location
By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2009-12-10 07:40:57 CST (+0800)

I have photographed this species in the Uwharrie National Forest in North Carolina. It was under pines, Loblolly I think.

Bill Cibula
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2009-12-10 05:44:11 CST (+0800)

Yes, Bill Cibula was the discoverer (along with a posse of students). And he told the story very well.

Very best,

R.

Rod, Yes, I remember…
By: mark (muscmark)
2009-12-10 04:15:16 CST (+0800)

Rod,
Yes, I remember hearing about it in the mid eighties. The fruiting was described as “a red carpet”. I think Bill Cibula might have been the original observer. I’m sure it was a rare season. It was in an older plot in Harrison Experimental Forest that had basically been abandoned. I hunted it a few years later and the fruitings were good, but of course nothing like the description. I am mostly wondering now if plantations in SC also produce good fruitings of persicina, and would love to hear from first-hand observers. I know the plots in MS were Longleaf Pine, but I’m not sure about SC. I think they are mostly Loblolly, under which muscaria may not grow as well – or if anyone can say otherwise, I would love to hear it.

A. persicina nom. prov.
By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2009-12-09 23:31:59 CST (+0800)

A. muscaria var. flavivolvata does not occur in the east, so there is no reason to confuse the two species.

They can be extremely common in pine plantations…
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2009-12-09 12:53:36 CST (+0800)

in the Gulf Coast states. There is a plantation near Harrison, MS that was once said to contain 10,000 fruiting bodies on a single occasion. (The material was incorrectly reported as Amanita subsp. flavivolvata.)

Good luck, I’ve collected typical species in Mississippi in December in the past.

R.

Nice pics! Need info.
By: mark (muscmark)
2009-12-09 12:32:41 CST (+0800)

I’m looking to take some pics of Am persicina. Were there many fruit bodies in the area? Do they grow in your pine plantations? Do they grow profusely? Thanks.

a couple of in-hand clues for delimiting persicina from flavivolvata…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2008-11-18 23:58:00 CST (+0800)

gills of persicina can show a pale pink cast. the veil material and therefore the annulus and volvar rings typical of most muscaria subspecies are weakest in persicina, and the volva will often NOT show rings of material on the bulb. there also seems to be more orangish staining on the bulbous base in persicina, but I have no field experience with this variety, only photographic.

both are possible in your area under pine.

more helpful hints on Tulloss’ website: http://njcc.com/~ret/amanita/mainaman.html

regional possibilities
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2008-11-18 23:20:03 CST (+0800)

I would think that Amanita muscaria var. persicina would be another possibility given the geographic region in which the material was found. We’d need dried material to be sure of the ID.

R

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