Observation 15054: Lacrymaria lacrymabunda (Bull.) Pat.
When: 2008-12-08
No herbarium specimen

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Used references: Mushrooms Demystified; found at the base of a conifer <1 mile from ocean; somewhat fruity odor; spores brown and elliptical (2-3 times longer than wider)

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About velutina
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2008-12-14 05:08:17 CST (-0500)

Isn’t the name velutina a synonym, deprecated in favour of lacrymabunda?
A form with orange cap and stem is sometimes named Lacrymaria pyrotricha.

dark brown spores with apical pores
By: Ryane Snow (snowman)
2008-12-13 17:06:43 CST (-0500)

collected another sample and took a spore print – dark brown with apical pores under the scope; appear to be smooth

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By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2008-12-11 06:15:55 CST (-0500)

Definitely a Lacrymaria. I’m trying to definitively sort out L. lacrymabunda from L. velutina, as there are conflicting opinions on whether they are synonymous or constitute separate species.
The genus is characterized by ornamented spores, however, some species within Lacrymaria have “smooth to obscurely warty spores”, which to me suggests that it is a variable trait which should not be used as a rule, but rather considered along with a number of other identifying features.

Yeah, brown under the scope.
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-12-09 18:49:29 CST (-0500)

I’ve got photos of Lacrymaria spores under the scope, and they are brown to coco brown in the scope (at least with Meltzer’s and KOH), and they have a large germ pore. I got an e-mail from Ryane here, and he told me the spore print was brown and he didn’t see a germ pore. (Although the second photo does look like Lacrymaria… and they seem to be up now around the whole CA coast, if the stuff at the Fungus Fair was any indication.) The Inocybe spores should look pale brown under the scope, and fairly thin walled compared to Lacrymaria spores…

Just a thought
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2008-12-09 16:40:06 CST (-0500)

If the spores are “brown” and elliptical in the microscope… then the spore print may be very dark brown, almost black. At least it looks a lot like Lacrymaria.

Not Lacrymaria if spore color is brown…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-12-09 16:09:21 CST (-0500)

If the claim is that the spore print was brown, and a medium brown, not a dark chocolate almost black brown (the darker brown colors often get reported as “black”, and some people see the dark brown and say, hey that isn’t really black… so it must be brown…), then it can’t be Lacrymaria.

Although it does look like there is black on the stipe and cap margin, but I wonder if that is from the high contrast of the photo, too much of it is blown out white, and that can make some of it seem dark to black.

Spore color?
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-12-08 16:27:01 CST (-0500)

You suggest brown spores here? I see black on the cap edges and on the fibrous veil remnants on the stipe. Did you look at the spores? Were they finely warted or smooth? Also did the spores have a germ pore? (This one is fairly big and obvious in Lacrymaria.)

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