Observation 163778: Morchella Dill. ex Pers.
When: 2014-04-18
No herbarium specimen

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Recognized by sight: I’ll let someone else decide which new morel name to use here…

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Likely not M. esculenta.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2014-04-21 18:19:08 CDT (-0400)

As a mushroom collector (and commercial collector) and consumer in Oregon, I’ve hunted the state widely. M. esculenta is not a species from Oregon.

In a clear cut? Probably something closer to an immature burn-site morel also associated with Douglas-fir. I’ve grown this species, but have no idea what it is currently being called. Should check with Nancy Smith-Weber as to correct current nomenclature. She has written the books on morels locally, and lives locally. Her work suggests several different morel species, including some which apparently are mycorrhizal (in symbiosis with certain trees). Oregon White oak has one species, in southern Oregon (Roseburg-Sutherlin area). Another white species is quite large (up to 18 inches tall) associated with Black cottonwood. Then there are the memorable M. crassipes clade, which have multiple fruiting bodies, each of which is quite large. I found a clump of these. Five specimens in a caespitose cluster weighed almost 2 pounds.

There are also M. esculenta look-alikes in Oregon. The yellow coloration is all some people look at. Need to examine nearby trees with this species, though. It is one of the suspected mycorrhizal fungi.

Uhh…
By: Byrain
2014-04-20 14:50:03 CDT (-0400)

I didn’t intend to upset you, only hi-light this observation for one of the people more knowledgeable about morels to come and help find a better name. This is not M. esculenta because that is a species that only occurs in Europe, it would be really cool if you could add your picture again so that someone else can make an attempt at getting you a better name, thanks.

d’oh
By: Paris Sinclair (RubyPanther)
2014-04-20 14:22:58 CDT (-0400)

Yeah, they DNA-tested my mushroom and accidentally sent you the results.

If your position is “there is no name” you’re clearly flatly wrong. There is a name, then some accademic says no it is wrong but doesn’t give a new name, and so the old name is still the name. With an asterix to be sure. But it isn’t actually an unknown species. And while all the “grey” and most of the “white” morels were not actually different species, which is known from DNA, the mushroom what was in the picture is clearly Morchella esculenta as described in Mushrooms Demystified.

If you don’t know the new species, keep waiting, but stop spamming.

it is already decided.
By: Britney Ramsey (Riverdweller)
2014-04-20 14:15:25 CDT (-0400)

with DNA. It’s ok to be wrong you know.

until…
By: Paris Sinclair (RubyPanther)
2014-04-20 14:14:09 CDT (-0400)

If there is not agreement on some new name, then KEEP USING the old name! That is what REAL PEOPLE do. If academics want to battle it out in obscure or periodical publications, that is fine; that is their job. That does NOT mean that the rest of the world stops using species names until they figure it out. And if it is newly controversial then the answer is easy; KEEP USING THE EXISTING NAMES UNTIL IT IS DECIDED!

Weak sauce
By: Paris Sinclair (RubyPanther)
2014-04-20 14:10:05 CDT (-0400)

As to the “which new morel name” this is Morchella esculenta, which is not new, and my advice is to use real names instead of making them up. Also, if you don’t know what species it is, but the person who collected it and made a closer observation does, then you don’t know AT ALL and the person who collected it does. You would need to KNOW which more specific species it is, and have some reason that is visible in pictures, in order to accurately “correct” the expert who made the hands-on observation.

If you want more information on why this is Morchella esculenta, first ask before claiming to identify it, but only identifying the genus, which is not a correction but more of an “I dunno but I’ll try.”

It’s not out of state mushroom hunters
By: Ron Pastorino (Ronpast)
2014-04-20 14:09:58 CDT (-0400)

that have waged the Crusade against Morchella esculenta…it’s the mycologists armed with DNA phylogenetic trees, and they have won.
Morchella esculenta has been banished from North America shores, replaced by over a dozen new names. The wars that are still being politely waged are between competing publications by those same mycolgists.
Check out Michael Kuo’s Mushroom expert website or Michael Beug/Bessettes’ new Ascomycete Fungi book.
To maintain some degree of sanity, it would be wise to stick with your common names for the time being.

d’oh! Why anti-esculenta?
By: Paris Sinclair (RubyPanther)
2014-04-20 13:33:56 CDT (-0400)

I’m guessing it is mushroom hunters from other areas not familiar with the mushrooms of western Oregon who are on this anti-esculenta crusade. However, this mushroom is clearly esculenta. You should observe in the picture that it is even associated with logging. I collected about 20 specimens, all clearly yellow morels! When associated with logging in Oregon it makes it a lot easier.

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