Observation 184830: Amanita sect. Validae (Fr.) Singer
When: 2014-10-22
Who: MarkB
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Missouri Ozarks (mixed hardwood forest). White spore print.

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By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2015-01-20 11:17:57 CST (-0500)

A. submaculata is also described as having a chlorine/chemical odor at times.

thanks Rod!
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2015-01-20 10:24:57 CST (-0500)

submaculata sounds very distinctive. what peculiar odors, and what an odd range of odors! Or is it all in the nose of the perceiver?

this quite youthful fb seems to be way too young for an eyeball determination to species. the rooting nature of the bulb does suggest something in the Validae though. Meltzers would tell that tale, for sure.

And yes, I have seen examples of a slightly rooting bulb in members of Amanita section Amanita.

Amanita excela is European or Eurasian in distribution.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2015-01-20 00:32:20 CST (-0500)

The name has been used in some parts of the eastern U.S. for submaculata (e.g., in some old documents sent me by David Lewis) and, possibly, for other species that have an apple or pear like odor.

Very best,


To provide a clean link… EDITED and EDITED again
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2015-01-19 23:49:09 CST (-0500)


It’s cap pigment is in radial streaks (virgate) of brownish gray, and there are little eye-shaped gaps in the pigment. The unversal veil is often not left on the cap. Sometimes it remains as a grayish submembranous patch left on the lower stem or bulb. It has a very large white membranous partial veil that hangs a bit like a 19th Century ball gown. I associate three odors with the species apple is the most common. Once it smelled more like anise, and once it smelled like a hot automobile tire. It was originally described from material from North Carolina, if I remember correctly; and it has been found in the Province of Quebec. It sometimes shows red-rust staining in wounds in the stem flesh or in the cap. More on the WAO website. We have some DNA and will work up sequences from samples from a wider geographic range in the future.


By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2015-01-19 18:52:53 CST (-0500)

Several obs. on this site and here: http://www.amanitaceae.org/?Amanita submaculata. Odor reminds me of oyster mushrooms.

By: MarkB
2015-01-19 18:50:34 CST (-0500)

Could this be Amanita excelsa var. spissa?

is there a definition for submaculata somewhere?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2015-01-19 18:44:22 CST (-0500)

could you quote it or link to it? not an amanita that I am familiar with.

Hi Rod
By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2014-10-23 06:04:27 CDT (-0400)

I sent you an email, please answer it as soon as possible. Thanks.

I see your point, Elsa.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2014-10-22 22:37:23 CDT (-0400)


Not very much
By: Elsa (pinknailsgirl)
2014-10-22 18:24:47 CDT (-0400)

but this reminds me my obs. http://mushroomobserver.org/153753?q=2I78g

The radicating bulb is an interesting item.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2014-10-22 13:32:58 CDT (-0400)

I’m very interested to know if other MO users have seen pantherina-like amanitas with a bulb like an ice cream cone. I can’t remember having seen such a thing.

Very best,


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