Observation 19602: Cortinarius turmalis Fr.
When: 2008-09-29
No herbarium specimen

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Recognized by sight: but I’m not sure about that, was not my identification
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By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-04-16 03:39:56 CDT (-0400)

I need to get my hands on new descriptions and delimitations of additional species in the Claricolores subsection. Heard a rumour about C. lapponicus (Brandrud ined.), which sounds like a northern species. It is supposed to grow with spruce and birch, so our northern “turmalis” might turn out to be that one – or we may have both.

C. claricolor and turmalis are still different species. But different interpretations by different experts often cause misunderstandings of synonyms.
C. turmalis sensu Moser => C. claricolor
C. sebaceus sensu Moser => C. turmalis

In the process of adding authors & citations for
By: Ron Pastorino (Ronpast)
2011-04-15 20:56:27 CDT (-0400)

naked Corts on MO (April is a slow mushroom month here) I see that Index Fungorum lists Cortinarius claricolor as the current name for this taxon. However, they don’t list any current citation(1960 being the latest).
The Species Fungorum page does list the C. turmalis however.

Dimi
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-02-08 08:09:24 CST (-0500)

I’m sure I’ll be able to get samples of turmalis. I’ll try to find some claricolor too, but can’t make any promises.
I agree, they must be very closely related, and have at times been described as forms of each other. A complication is also the many varieties of claricolor.

Revisiting this one…
By: Dimitar Bojantchev (dimitar)
2011-02-08 00:40:18 CST (-0500)

Wow, this was written almost 2 years ago. Based on what I know now, C. turmalis and C. claricolor must be very similar genetically. The spores as shown in Brandrud are almost identical and this is a very, very good character for comparison. My Idaho C, turmalis matches Tubingen’s C. claricolor.

Irene, please collect some pure Scandinavian C. claricolor and send it to me to check the sequences. Let us know how you see the difference between the two with good illustrations. Same with C. turmalis — we need to settle these Frisian species from where they begin.

D.
I agree, turmalis sounds right.
By: Dimitar Bojantchev (dimitar)
2009-03-21 09:29:49 CDT (-0400)

The pale colors, clustered habit (*pointed out by Soop, “Cortinarius
of Sweden”) suggest that too.

It is not papulosus by any of the concepts that I am familiar with.

We have Californian representatives of both claricolor and papulosus
too that should be checked against being the true ones.

D. www.mushroomhobby.com
turmalis not the same to me as claricolor
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2009-03-21 08:52:49 CDT (-0400)

C. claricolor is larger, growing solitary, with more red in the cap, copious white veil, stem broad at the top and attenuated at the base.

You’ll find both descriptions in Fries’ “Epicrisis systematis mycologici” p.257
Here (I hope the link works):
http://books.google.se/...

C. sebaceus is (by us in Scandinavia) considered a synonym to turmalis.

C. allutus is unclear, but interpreted as the form of C. multiformis that has a marked bulb.

is Cortinarius turmalis
By: Gerhard Koller (Gerhard)
2009-03-21 08:25:40 CDT (-0400)

the same as Cortinarius claricolor to you? And what about Cortinarius sebaceus?
And Cortinarius allutus? What is the original description of C.turmalis?

Not papulosus
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2009-03-21 05:34:49 CDT (-0400)

Cortinarius papulosus has a reddish brown veil, leaving girdles on the stem and dots on the cap.
This looks more like Cortinarius turmalis to me.

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