Observation 197201: Hygrophorus Fr.

When: 1988-08-25

Collection location: Gila National Forest, New Mexico, USA [Click for map]

Who: Bob Chapman (Disciseda)

No specimen available

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Recognized by sight
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Recognized by sight
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Recognized by sight: H.speciosus only grows with Larix and have more light colors. under pines it is possible to find H.aureus

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perhaps we can resolve this soon.
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2016-02-29 08:19:30 PST (-0800)

I collected some of the SW “specious” last August in AZ; when we return from OZ in April, I can send out my batches for DNA analysis. I have quite a backlog!

Of course, it is also possible that NONE of what we are calling specious here in NA is the same as the European specious, and we are just using a placeholder name until something better comes along.

Time will tell. At least the fbs are readily recognizable, whatever their eventual name will be.

this is
By: Davide Puddu (Davide Puddu)
2016-02-28 20:41:34 PST (-0800)

not H.speciosus in the european sense, it only grows under Larix and it’s not found in other habitat. It is a species that has a more yellowish color of the cap
The species we find under Pinus is called H.aureus that actually should not be considered a form, like i read on mycobank, of H.hypothejus that has always white flesh and a more floccose and cortinate veil according to Candusso’s monograph published in 1997. I don’t have the book right here to tell you also if there are micro differences to be checked .
Obvously if there are these kind of discrepancies between european and american sense of this species DNA will result in a big pile of crap and will not be reliable.

before we get all het up over this possible non-issue …
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2015-01-27 12:47:20 PST (-0800)

where are the DNA comparisons between the eastern and western and European forms of this, as well as DNA comparisons between various western forms under differing hosts. and how, exactly, are hosts getting determined in mixed forests? There is only one way to know for sure, and that isn’t by glancing at the treetops or examining duff on the ground.

The current incarnation of Matchmaker claims that larch is a “preferred host” for specious, but that it is “found with conifers in boggy areas.” Arora was cited as having found it with pine. I have found it with a variety of trees, including pine, in the often too dry Sierra, in a boggy area after some unusually drenching rains.

The burden of proof is on the doubters, IMO.

Looks like H. specious to me.

Not sacred? Heretic!!!
By: Bob Chapman (Disciseda)
2015-01-26 14:53:10 PST (-0800)

Your no longer welcome to our shrine to the “slimy red shroom o’ the woods”.

I’ve added 3 images of “H. speciosus” from the Chiricahuas, about a hundred miles to the southwest. Not as pretty, but more typical. As you can see there are pines and doug fir. Elev. about 2500m

Bob, Yep,
By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2015-01-26 14:09:38 PST (-0800)

No species is sacred anymore. Whatever we call it (them?) it is a beautiful waxcap, my favorite to find, when in pristine condition.

Here is a link to a rather lively MO discussion.

Nice Walt, very nice
By: Bob Chapman (Disciseda)
2015-01-26 11:35:03 PST (-0800)

Over the years, we in New Mexico, during the late wet summers, joyfully strolled through the spruce woodlands of our many mountains. There to greet us, our dear friend Hygrophorus speciosus. This was a jewel of the forest we knew with confidence. It was part of us, our land, our family. Then you go and start trouble. Thanks!

By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2015-01-25 23:02:04 PST (-0800)

an undescribed species which is a look alike for the Eastern Larch associate.

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