Observation 208863: Heterotextus alpinus (Earle) G.W. Martin

When: 2015-06-27

Collection location: Blackcomb Mountain, Whistler, British Columbia, Canada [Click for map]

50.093° -122.8996° 1800m

Who: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)

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Original Herbarim Label: Heterotextus alpinus (Earle) G.W. Martin
Syn.: Guepiniopsis alpina (Earle) Brasf.
Growing on dead branches of Abies lasiocarpa

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I have to accept some blame here probably
By: Jason Hollinger (jason)
2017-11-20 22:28:45 EST (-0500)

MO does not in principle allow people to summarily change the names on other people’s observations. (I’m not talking about voting, that’s a dead issue.) But there’s a loop hole. People can correct the spelling of names, and that change will implicitly apply to all observations which use the name.

I have a rule in the code which notifies the admins of any “nontrivial” change (read: not just a minor spelling change) to a name. You’d be surprised how infrequently this capability is abused by our users.

So if there was a nontrivial name change effected this way, I would have seen a notification of it, and I just missed it. I blew it, what can I say? We all make mistakes.

I could, of course, outright forbid it. And turn these sorts of major name changes into requests (the same way name changes which would result in merging names is already done). But I was just waiting for there to be some obvious abuse of it before disempowering our users even more. It doesn’t sound like this case qualifies. Sounds like Danny caught the mistake (whosever it was) and fixed it.

I think it’s important to point out that this sort of change (changing the “spelling” of a name), while it can temporarily cause observations to be misidentified, does not destroy any information, and any user can easily just change the name right back to what it was. (Name merges cannot be undone, that action does destroy information irrevocably.)

I cannot believe it!
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-11-20 22:13:40 EST (-0500)

“the changes were prompted by your very own comment stating that H. alpinus and H. luteus were macroscopically indistinguishable”
Please, stop playing with our MO observation names. MO gurus are far too fast in changing other users’ MO observation names. I would not expect that from people who are experts in DNA sequencing, or praised fungi photographers. (Roo spoke very well about you!) Mushroom Observer should accept the rule that – at least for the MO observations supported by herbarium specimens – the MO observation names should be change only by the original users who posted those observations. Even the more primitive systems, such as iNaturalist, have such an option (I was told).
Please, show some class and if you have any doubts about Oluna’s ID, tell it to us as a Comment, not by crossing out our MO observation names!

names were rearranged
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-20 15:29:15 EST (-0500)

at the site level, resulting in some changes on individual observations with previously accurate IDs which I manually corrected back to their original state. Simply put, I changed this observation back to exactly how you created it, so you should have no grievance on this or any other affected observation. What’s more, the changes were prompted by your very own comment stating that H. alpinus and H. luteus were macroscopically indistinguishable.

Mushroom Observer and many professional North American mycologists
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-11-20 14:06:42 EST (-0500)

do not know what ANNOTATIONS are. We protect our original ID in the Notes as an “Original Herbarium Label:” I judge the professionalism of MO users and I ignore those amateurs who are using MO Voting for material they have not seen. I was calmed down in my rhetoric when one European specialist told me that he would ignore MO observation names, since even the professional mycologists are often way off in identifications of the specimens in realm of his expertise.
Never mind, in our MO observations, I would prefer if you could make suggestions of name changes as Comments, not by crossing out our MO observation names.

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