Observation 209317: Geastrum velutinum Morgan
When: 2015-07-08
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Growing under oaks.

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both IF and MB
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2015-07-17 16:41:56 CDT (-0500)

give no indication of either deprecation or synonymy between and among these names. G. saccatum, G. javanicum and G. velutinum are all, for the moment, considered valid and current.

Herbarium – thanks
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-17 09:50:43 CDT (-0500)

Thanks for the comment John. This collection is headed for BRIT, Botanical Research Institute in Fort Worth.

Thank you for noticing the error. I was just following along with the species information in MO.

Thanks
By: John Steinke (John Steinke)
2015-07-17 09:15:03 CDT (-0500)

Great collection, good image! The collection belongs in a herbarium somewhere, it could be the missing link between Geastrum velutinum and G. javanicum.

Thanks for clearing this up!
By: Jason Hollinger (jason)
2015-07-17 00:28:14 CDT (-0500)
Deprecation removed
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-16 20:17:43 CDT (-0500)

I did a thorough search of SpeciesFungorum and did not see any indication of deprecation of G. velutinum to G. javanicum. The MO deprecation was made in 2007, I think. I found a recently published paper in March of 2013 – “Two new species of Geastrum” by BDB da Silva, that treats them both as accepted species.

All other biodiversity sites on the web show them as separate and accepted species.

The only reference I found on the web that deprecates G. velutinum to G. javanicum was Mushroom Observer.

At any rate, I separated them and set them both as accepted species and removed the synonymy.

I will look into it
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-16 16:24:06 CDT (-0500)
I’m afraid I don’t know anything about Geastrum taxonomy
By: Jason Hollinger (jason)
2015-07-16 16:13:40 CDT (-0500)

I don’t have any more power as admin to approve or deprecate names than anyone else does. That said, it’s entirely possible something is broken or the interface isn’t clear how to get where you want to go. Just let me know what the correct synonymy is, and which name(s) should be accepted — and please try to be objective! or we’ll just end upright back here with someone complaining because their favorite name deprecated. If there is valid debate as to which name is the “best”, then let’s just mark both “accepted” and have done with it. In this particular case, whoever is responsible for deprecating G. velutinum did so without providing any reason. That’s what comments and/or taxonomic notes are for on the name page. It’s probably possible to look up who was responsible, but honestly I don’t really care: I’d rather we just get it right now, and document why.

deprecate department
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-16 16:01:18 CDT (-0500)

I see your point. I got my information from the following two pages:

http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/4242

and

http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/4240

Index Fungorum does not bear this out.

I will send a note to Jason Holloworth and try to find out how this is handled.

I was worried I had managed to mix this up – but apparently not.

Deprecate
By: John Steinke (John Steinke)
2015-07-16 09:42:13 CDT (-0500)

Who is in charge of this deprecate department? in 1968 Ponce de Leon made Geastrum velutinum and G. javanicum the same species in his paper. Whoever is in charge needs to read all of this paper. After you read it you can deprecate G. triplex, G. fornicatum, G. kotlobae and who know what else? I like the name G velutinum and I believe it to be a solid species for the central U.S..

Deprecate
By: John Steinke (John Steinke)
2015-07-16 09:20:47 CDT (-0500)
Geastrum velutinum
By: John Steinke (John Steinke)
2015-07-11 06:03:13 CDT (-0500)
Geastrum velutinum Deprecated to Geastrum javanicum
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-10 08:58:33 CDT (-0500)

The name Geastrum velutinum has been deprecated to Geastrum javanicum

matches the description and photos in Mycoportal
By: L G Price (LG_Price)
2015-07-10 08:55:50 CDT (-0500)

Thanks for the ID. Matches the description in Mycoportal

http://mycoportal.org/portal/taxa/index.php?taxon=225624

Seems to be out of range though.

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