Observation 211174: Cortinarius caperatus (Pers.) Fr.

When: 2015-07-21

Collection location: Allegany State Park, Salamanca, New York, USA [Click for map]

42.1393° -78.7215° 550m

Who: Garrett Taylor (cappy)

No specimen available

Oak woods

Proposed Names

56% (4)
Eye3 Eyes3
Recognized by sight
9% (3)
Recognized by sight
50% (3)
Recognized by sight

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By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2015-07-23 22:14:13 PDT (-0700)

I’m Jacob Kalichman, just a regular user here. Jason is an admin. I have no idea why he would delete that comment, perhaps it was a misclick.

(about the gill thing… your seemingly warranted confidence, + intent to just make the obs as a data point => I get where you’re coming from not worrying about a gill shot… I’m about to post a Coprinellus sect. Micacei obs without one either. this obs just happens to be less obvious than some others)

Perhaps it was a glitch…
By: Garrett Taylor (cappy)
2015-07-23 18:35:50 PDT (-0700)

and my comment just never went through…but I got a message saying my comment was deleted by Jason. I tried to respond that the observation was simply put on here to show how early I find these here and that the gill color was indeed tobacco brown. That seems to me a legitimate use of M.O. I am fine with having my I.D.‘s questioned, it’s just I thought my comment was deleted. Maybe it’s because I used the common name? With no response from Jason (Pulk) either way I won’t know. Perhaps I shouldn’t have responded defensively and contacted Jason privately?

As for the observation, I thought the image while lacking in significant details and description was good enough for most to see that it is indeed Cortinarius caperatus. I didn’t think it needed a buggy gill shot, especially when I was posting it “I’d call it that”. Sorry that it caused a problem, but I’m still not sure how I could do it differently going forward and am open to suggestion. It’s late and I have more work to do so that’s all the though I am giving this for tonight.

By: I. G. Safonov (IGSafonov)
2015-07-23 17:10:10 PDT (-0700)

With all due respect, I complete agree with Dave. He couldn’t have summed up the purpose of an observation any better.
Also, I honestly believe that no one on MO disbelieves other users’ claims, even if observations are imageless. This is not what MO is all about. Mushroom identification proposals get varying levels of support from interested users. This is based on the examination of the pictorial and verbal info provided in the obs by the collector and subsequent interpretation thereof by the users backed up by their experience with and knowledge of the species in question. Indeed, this is peer review in its purest form!

Garrett, if you have experienced difficulties…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2015-07-23 16:01:49 PDT (-0700)

with posting comments here at MO, you should contact Nathan or Jason.

The point of an observation is to submit one’s information for peer review. Access to details via written description or photos really helps move along the discussion. Lack of details leaves one’s claims open to question. “Comment” is as good as it gets here… unless of course if you prefer that your proposal is downgraded in absence of an explanation.

Using humor can help move things along, although it can also be risky.

It’s Cortinarius caperatus, thus the level of certainty
By: Garrett Taylor (cappy)
2015-07-23 15:33:50 PDT (-0700)

expressed. Sorry if no one beleives me. Not sure why my comments are being deleted, Pulk. And take it easy on the snark, it leaves a bad taste in combination with the deletion. Perhaps you would explain why my comment wasn’t accepted. I have enjoyed posting here until now. Hopefully you were intending to. Garrett

By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2015-07-23 06:41:00 PDT (-0700)

it’s always preferred when observations are a little more, you know, gilly :d

By: I. G. Safonov (IGSafonov)
2015-07-22 18:52:53 PDT (-0700)

The Gypsy prefers well-drained, sandy soils. In my experience, in NJ it’s rarely found outside the Pine Barrens, where it forms mycorrhizae with the pitch pine and/or huckleberry thickets. The deciduous habitat in the pic might point to a different soil type… Like Dave W noted, showing a gill shot under adequate lighting conditions would have been very useful.

This doesn’t look like C. caperatus to me
By: Terri Clements/Donna Fulton (pinonbistro)
2015-07-22 18:45:37 PDT (-0700)

Specimens I’ve found have a thick persistent ring even in old specimens. And the cap is typically broadly umbonate.


C. caperatrus and S. hardii…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2015-07-22 18:36:45 PDT (-0700)

can look a lot alike. Spore print color would settle this, or probably also the color of the mature gills.

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