Observation 213824: Agaricomycetes Doweld

When: 2015-08-22

Collection location: Navarino Widlife Area, Wisconsin, USA [Click for map]

Who: Matt Welter (mattfungus)

No specimen available

Proposed Names

-9% (3)
Eye3
Recognized by sight
-20% (3)
Recognized by sight
-12% (2)
Recognized by sight
0% (2)
Eyes3
Recognized by sight

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus

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By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-03 23:26:47 CDT (-0400)

what little detail is discernible points away from that species, and away from most “Heterobasidiomycetes” for that matter. the only jelly I am aware of with a effused-reflexed habit is Auricularia mesenterica, which I have never seen in the US, though it has apparently been collected in Tennessee (once) and Florida (twice)

all of this speculation is rather pointless with so little information aside from two photos taken from far away of shriveled material and the purported mouthfeel of desiccated bits of tissue. if you are truly interested in identifying this fungus with certainty, consider recollecting and rephotographing it. if you have access to a microscope, you may be able to get details which could compensate for the lack of fresh macromorphological features. if you only come upon dry material again, collect some and rehydrate it in a moisture chamber or between damp paper towels, then photograph it.

how can you be 100% certain of that
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-03 23:14:40 CDT (-0400)

Based on a picture.

You were not there. You are basing your judgement on a picture.

Your logic does not consider the person that was actually there taking the picture.

Therefore how can you be the judge of that? Now who is taking things personally?

this is 100%
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-03 19:53:51 CDT (-0400)
thanks judi
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-03 18:03:31 CDT (-0400)

while I appreciate your thoughts, I still know that this is Exidia glandulosa. I can see what you think you are seeing, but this is a very dry specimen, and unfortunately slightly blurry.

Part of the reason that I know this is that it is on alder, older alder and it is one of my top five guaranteed to find on older alder species. When I am at a new location looking to inventory I purposeful seek out alder so I can add species and help the people who run that nature center, park or trail inventory their species.

Looking back on that date I see several species that I also usually see on alder.

My best example of something similar is this one Observation 211741, again my own observation and again my own blurry camera. At times I do throw out what is two blurry, but at others I can instantly see the mushroom at a glance eventhough it is blurry.

My own personal goal is to document and inventory the fungus at a particular sites in Wisconsin and that is okay with me if it is a little blurry It also appears to be okay to the other enthusiasts, guests and naturalists I encourage to get on this site after nature hikes I do.

Hi Matt. My first impression upon viewing your ob.
By: Judi T. (AvidAmateur)
2017-11-03 14:24:12 CDT (-0400)

was P. strigosozonata, as Danny suggested earlier on. It is difficult to identify the key features without some macro images, but when I zoom way in on the second image I can see what looks like the very beginning formation of some typical reflexed caps of strigosozonata. If you look at my observation 267162 of this species you can see both the early and later cap formations in some of the images. If you can revisit this site you might see further growth and have an opportunity to take some additional photos that would help pin down this ID.

thank you
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-03 08:23:03 CDT (-0400)

for this suggestion A & O. I have often thought that by putting my own comments in the comment section I might be able to do this, just have not yet acted on it.

I too have worked as a curator and understand that at times human error leads to items provenance being either uncatalogued or seeming like a jumble of notes.Those jumbles of notes fascinating me the most. They always showed the personality a bit about the person behind them.

You may wish to ask Adolf and Oluna Ceska
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-11-03 03:22:37 CDT (-0400)

Adolf was a herbarium curator for almost 15 years and our dislike of changing MO observation names is a product of his occupational disease. Many West Coast mycologists do not understand what annotations are. Crossing out the herbarium label and writing your other suggestion there is not allowed in proper herbarium practices and all the suggestions of “better” names are done as Comments. For an extreme example of Annotations in Vascular Plant Herbarium see Plate 2 in
http://bomi.ou.edu/ben/516/ben_dxvi_plate.pdf
Since other MO users are free to cross-out our MO observation names, we protect our original ID (or mis-ID) by repeating the original MO observation name in notes as “Original Herbarium Label:” (for vouchered observations) or “Original ID:” (for our postings without herbarium specimens). This comes quite handy when MO observations are uploaded on MyCoPortal. Never mind, in the absence of a better annotation system in MO, this is the only way how to save the original ID and keep the link of MO observations with the voucher herbarium specimens and the collection book.

re: Matt
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-01 23:07:45 CDT (-0400)

i am not asking others to not comment on my entries
I am asking you (Danny Newman, myxomop) not to NOT comment or post unuseful identfications on my posting. You.

I respectfully decline your request.

I am not able to access my own identifications through the regular means. I must look through them one by one because you have put Agaricomycetes or Fungi on them.

Your ease of locating your observations does not trump the importance of their being accurately identified.

I thought this was a mushroom identification, location and distribution site, to HELP people identify mushrooms and get information to others about distribution.

It is.

By putting these wider sweeping identifications on here and by not offering better information and by rating them at the lowest ends of the ratings you are essentially negating not only myself but others from searching for my and others’ sightings.

The onus is on you the uploader to provide us with enough information to offer an identification based on the ecology, location and discernible details. If you do not, expect broader identifications.

This is negating information. By doing what you are doing you are essentially Trolling and Bullying myself and other potential be users. You appear to be fine with this and insist that others go somewhere else.

Call it whatever you like. It isn’t personal. Try taking closer, clearer photos of fresher material and jotting down some notes, and you will see mine and others’ votes and name proposals change.

Do rather than deal with this constant relentless downgrading of my observations I am asking you to save yourself some time and stop ranking my observations.

Part of my activity on MO involves routine maintenance of the database as a whole. That means spending time on all observations, even junk ones. I appreciate your consideration for my time, but this is how I choose to spend it.

You are not the first (and surely not the last) user to be dismayed at the loss of erroneous personal IDs in favor of community ones. If you wish to recall/locate observations on the basis of what you decide to call them, I believe there is a field for “Original Identification” somewhere, but having never had any need for this, I am not familiar with its use. You may wish to ask Adolf and Oluna Ceska.

i am not asking others to not comment on my entries
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-01 22:31:51 CDT (-0400)

I am asking you (Danny Newman, myxomop) not to NOT comment or post unuseful identfications on my posting. You.

I am not able to access my own identifications through the regular means. I must look through them one by one because you have put Agaricomycetes or Fungi on them.

I thought this was a mushroom identification, location and distribution site, to HELP people identify mushrooms and get information to others about distribution.

By putting these wider sweeping identifications on here and by not offering better information and by rating them at the lowest ends of the ratings you are essentially negating not only myself but others from searching for my and others’ sightings.

This is negating information. By doing what you are doing you are essentially Trolling and Bullying myself and other potential be users. You appear to be fine with this and insist that others go somewhere else.

Do rather than deal with this constant relentless downgrading of my observations I am asking you to save yourself some time and stop ranking my observations.

i am not asking others to not comment on my entries
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-01 22:31:40 CDT (-0400)

I am asking you (Danny Newman, myxomop) not to NOT comment or post unuseful identfications on my posting. You.

I am not able to access my own identifications through the regular means. I must look through them one by one because you have put Agaricomycetes or Fungi on them.

I thought this was a mushroom identification, location and distribution site, to HELP people identify mushrooms and get information to others about distribution.

By putting these wider sweeping identifications on here and by not offering better information and by rating them at the lowest ends of the ratings you are essentially negating not only myself but others from searching for my and others’ sightings.

This is negating information. By doing what you are doing you are essentially Trolling and Bullying myself and other potential be users. You appear to be fine with this and insist that others go somewhere else.

Do rather than deal with this constant relentless downgrading of my observations I am asking you to save yourself some time and stop ranking my observations.

Matt
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-01 21:03:06 CDT (-0400)

that you rehydrated an unidentified fungus in your mouth (odd and ill advised behavior) does not lend any credibility to this still underdocumented observation. that you find this distasteful suggests you may be better off starting your own website free from the competing opinion of others.

that is uncalled for and unprofessional.
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-01 20:42:06 CDT (-0400)
It may even be called harassment and bullying.

Please stop. and please stop posting on my observations.

right
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-11-01 19:55:04 CDT (-0400)
i put this in my mouth and got it to reconsitute
By: Matt Welter (mattfungus)
2017-11-01 19:24:54 CDT (-0400)

Its a jelly.

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