Observation 28934: Hygrocybe (Fr.) P. Kumm.
When: 2009-09-29
Who: jim (ckm3)
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Found among deciduous leaves in a relatively open forest area adjacent to a stream. Tiny. Cap of the larger was 4 mm.

Proposed Names

-11% (3)
Eye3
Recognized by sight
-10% (4)
Recognized by sight
52% (5)
Eyes3
Recognized by sight

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus

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guesswork
By: jim (ckm3)
2009-11-28 11:48:56 EST (-0500)

I didn’t pick the little fellas & can’t say for sure, but the striae on the cap margin suggest gills (to a novice like me). I was wondering if the relatively thick, dark stem also suggested Hygrocybe.

Sarcoscypha occidentallis
By: Eddee (eddeeee)
2009-11-28 11:36:22 EST (-0500)

There are no Gills shown in this photo. So I was going to let the tennis match keep going and purpose the name Sarcoscypha occidentallis. I have seen very similar species growing on the WV/VA border, They were small but lacked any gills It would be nice to know if there are gills.

Appreciation
By: jim (ckm3)
2009-11-28 01:07:28 EST (-0500)

Thanks to both of you for your comments. I guess I’ll have to learn to enjoy the tennis, but Christian’s comments help me learn a bit – which is my goal. And I’m aware that presenting one (top down!) picture of a tiny specimen doesn’t help anyone much towards an identification. But I’m just three months into this sport & the learning curve is prett steep. Thanks for all the help.

Jim -
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2009-11-27 23:43:46 EST (-0500)

I sympathize with your frustration – not much help if you can’t “recognize” it by sight.
The main macroscopic differences between Laccaria and Hygrocybe are pretty subjective: Laccaria is tougher, and usually has tufts of hairs or some sort of fine cap ornamentation, whereas Hygrocybe tends to be thinner and more fragile. Both have waxy gills, but Laccaria gills are more often decurrent. However Hygrocybe can also have this character. Hygrocybe is usually somewhat slick, oftentimes truly slimy, whereas Laccaria is usually dry. However, Hygrocybe can dry out.
Laccaria are usually purple, pinkish, flesh-tan, or beigish at age. Hygrocybe can be white, green, red, orange, yellow, brown, black… the whole rainbow (although I can’t think of any purple ones from CA). In my opinion, this looks too bright, dressed up in red and yellow for a Laccaria (which I would expect to be duller reddish-pink or pinkish-brown.
Hope this helps.

this is taxonomic tennis, my friend.
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2009-11-27 23:34:26 EST (-0500)

sometimes you just have to sit back and watch these IDs unfold.

Explanaton?
By: jim (ckm3)
2009-11-27 22:31:55 EST (-0500)

As we go happily challenging and changing identifications, it sure would help me understand what’s going on if a word or two of explanation were give for rejecting one id and suggesting another – other than “recognized by sight” which apparently isn’t necessarily so…
Thanks – jim

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