Observation 31550: Clathrus L.

When: 2010-01-06

Collection location: near Sterkrivier, Limpopo province, South Africa [Click for map]

Who: Banie (Banie)

No specimen available

Proposed Names

59% (8)
Recognized by sight
-8% (2)
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Clathrus sp2 in Dring’s monograph
By: P.-A. Moreau (PAM)
2012-05-07 14:57:29 PDT (-0700)

This should be the “Clathrus sp.2” cited by Dennis in Dring, 1980, and apparently still unpublished. “apricot colour, finally Cornelian Red at apex and Salmon Buff at base” match well the picture.

Bottomley A.M. 1948. Bothalia 4(3): fig. 27A (“Clathrus sp.”)
Dring D.M. 1980. Kew Bulletin 35(1): 37 (note under Clathrus crispus), 92 (“Clathrus species 2”).

more info/better photos needed for a good ID…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2010-07-05 09:13:58 PDT (-0700)

Clathrus sp. are commonly transported all over the world with mulch and ornamental trees, so former range may not be enough to exclude a species. But I just threw that name out there…really no determination can be made with what we have here.

I hope that Banie can find more, and photograph it down to its mycelia!

Not likely …
By: Robert Sasata (Sasata)
2010-07-04 22:50:21 PDT (-0700)

… because according to Dring 1980 “Contributions towards a Rational Arrangement of the Clathraceae” Kew Bulletin 35(1):1-96, C. chrysomycelinus is only found from Venezuela to southern Brazil. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrus_ruber for more info.

and another thread from 2004 on a possibly similar S. African Clathrus…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2010-07-04 15:47:34 PDT (-0700)

from the pre-MO era (remember those daze?):

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2010-07-04 15:39:41 PDT (-0700)

I opened this observation because I saw the image, and read the name C. ruber and thought “No way, it is not that species! Who proposed that?!”

….Not sure what I was thinking 6 months ago, but I have to change my vote to “doubtful” now.

By: Robert Sasata (Sasata)
2010-07-04 14:50:28 PDT (-0700)

There’s more info in “Clathrus transvaalensis, a new species from the Transvaal, South Africa”. Mycological Research, 1990, 94:422-423, but I can’t access the journal until later. I’ll update here once I get it (unless someone beats me to it.)

well Banie, looks like your work is cut out for you…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2010-07-04 14:49:42 PDT (-0700)

Great minds agree…Clathrus si! species???

Good news tho…these stinky fellows like to return to the scene of the crime…so go back to the same site and photograph more next season! Try and depict all ages (they start as white, geometric eggs) and if you could show the exact distribution of the dark, stinking spore mass it would be helpful for ID…this example is old, blown-out and faded, and most of the gleba (sporemass) is already gone.

There is one
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2010-07-04 14:24:00 PDT (-0700)

cream-coloured Clathrus transvaalensis, with spores in pustules on the inside of the arms. That’s all info I managed to find. Could this be it?

Don’t think so
By: Robert Sasata (Sasata)
2010-07-04 13:11:17 PDT (-0700)

Not only is the color wrong, but the shape and structure of the arms don’t match Clathrus ruber (C. ruber is more spongy). Further, to the best of my knowledge, other than one isolated report from mid 1800s, the species isn’t found in Africa.

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By: Daniel Jimenez (Daniel CR)
2010-01-06 12:19:50 PST (-0800)

Very cool !

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