Observation 33919: Cuphophyllus pratensis (Fr.) Bon
When: 2010-02-20
No herbarium specimen

Notes: Growing near live oak

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Common enough..
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2011-06-04 03:00:50 EDT (-0400)

These are rather common under CA bay, in the bay area from Feb – Apr. Click around to other obs., and there are lots of them there.

But just saying they have a slight difference in the quality of the color, and in the habitat, is that enough to suggest that these are not Camarophyllus pratensis? Microscopically they agree.

For a number of species in Hygrophorus/Hygrocybe in California there should be a new names for them. But then there are another set where they have some consistent differences, but it is hard to say is it enough to need a new name?

The question is, what can you do about it? There will have to be some set of features which can clearly split things. Like the arguments about Hygrocybe punicea, where some people say that clearly they are different in Europe and California. But when I looked in the new Hygrocybe of Northern Europe book, the description there is very good and clear for H. punicea, and as far as I can tell, it also agrees with what is obs. in California.

I guess I’m just saying that some vague feelings from some people comparing only photos isn’t enough to say it isn’t this or that species. But I would really like to know what can be done to take these vague feeling and work them into some testable observations.

This was in mixed woodlands
By: Tom (LanLord)
2011-06-03 16:22:22 EDT (-0400)

Primary feature was oak, secondary was laurel. This was a while ago, so I don’t recall if there was other growth around, but there probably was some sort of conifer as well.

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By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2011-06-03 16:15:03 EDT (-0400)

Hygrophoraceae in CA need a LOT of work, most (all?) of the European/eastern US names being used here make you think twice. Compare observations…

But this fits what is called Camarophyllus pratensis here…

Couldn’t believe
By: Andreas (AK_CCM)
2011-06-03 15:45:18 EDT (-0400)

…that the photos are showing a fruitbody of Cuphophyllus/ Camarophyllus pratensis, because the species has a more orange colored pilleus and a less compactly shape. Just take a look at my photos on Wikipedia Commons:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cuphophyllus_pratensis

Also C. pratensis grows on grassland but the photo shows leaves on the ground which suggests a forest – isn’t it?

Regards, Andreas

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