Observation 44461: Krieglsteinera lasiosphaeriae Pouzar, Beitr. Kenntn.
When: 2010-04-19
Who: Jonathan M
No herbarium specimen

Notes: that one was very odd and these where the only specimen

Proposed Names

-30% (2)
Recognized by sight
28% (6)
Recognized by sight
27% (3)
Eye3
Recognized by sight: Please stop behing so rude for this ID!
56% (1)
Eyes3
Recognized by sight: would be very likely if the host is lasiosphaeria
Used references: Mycokey
28% (1)
Recognized by sight

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus

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a new wrench
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2012-02-28 10:29:52 PST (-0800)

for the observation 44461 gears:

look here:

http://www.flickr.com/...

this ob struck me as Entomophthorales from the beginning, though I must have never saw fit to make a name proposal. Knowing the host would karate chop a lot of ‘could be’s from the list, but I expect that we’ve only the existing notes and photos to go off of.

Cool Genus Jonathon
By: damon brunette (damonbrunette)
2012-02-27 13:26:48 PST (-0800)
And just what
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2011-05-18 02:10:27 PDT (-0700)

the hell is that supposed to mean?

now
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2011-05-17 20:38:55 PDT (-0700)

i understand the “head optional” part of the opposite-sex criteria.

Jonathan
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-04-25 13:22:57 PDT (-0700)

I can’t say I care for either your spelling, your grammar, or your condescending tone.

There wouldn’t be an issue if the site let you delete names you proposed that had multiple votes. (Nor if human beings didn’t, by and large, turn into jerks the minute they plugged in a modem; I’ve long since lost count of the number of people that are quite nice IRL but think nothing of publicly flaming, ridiculing, and otherwise abusing anyone they please when online!)

paul
By: Jonathan M
2010-04-24 08:39:49 PDT (-0700)

you need to know that there are tons of hairy withe ascomyceta and if it non you r specie it surely something else the hair is surely enough to comfirn this is not a dasycyphus

Im confident at something linked to a ascomycota and I will try to refind them ansd does a microscopy

Well, isn’t this nice!
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-04-24 08:24:47 PDT (-0700)

First of all, you seem to be thinking as if the hairs are all separate fruit bodies. In the photo I see three fruit bodies, each a whitish disc with multiple hairs. You have to completely ignore the disk parts for your theory. That is troubling for that theory.

Second, perhaps there are other close relatives of Dasyscyphus that it might be. There is a problem though: 1. My field guide had only one similar species to this, and it was D. virgineus, so I proposed that, in good faith. Now, 2. I must not appear in public to be in any way stupid or incompetent, and certainly it would be unjust for such an appearance to be my “reward” for acting in good faith, so there’s clearly a problem with having that name on here, with my name associated with it, and a strongly negative vote.

Unfortunately, the site won’t let me delete it now so it’s giving me no choice but to defend it as much as I can.

I also have a problem with being accused, basically, of being crazy. Please edit your comment to make it more civil and please keep your personal opinion to yourself. Publicly sharing negative opinions like that of others is not polite, and when the opinion is specifically that the other person is insane, it may even be dangerous to that person’s freedom.

Now, how do you suggest that we solve the problems outlined above? Aside from the one that is easily amended by you editing your previous comment? Perhaps we should cooperate to solve the problem rather than remaining at loggerheads.

thank irenea
By: Jonathan M
2010-04-24 06:38:49 PDT (-0700)

Nice source! I don’t think it a dasyscyphus. a pin mold look quite a bite like that but what the with thing they grow on?

It’s more than a gut feeling
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2010-04-24 03:15:47 PDT (-0700)

If you can’t, I will provide references.
Here’s drawings of Dasyscyphus virgineus/Lachnum virgineum, showing incrusted hairs with straight tips (among other things):
http://www.mycokey.com/...

Here are photos of 11 different species of Lachnum. As you can see, the hairs appear white, not hyaline, and not with “heads”:
http://www.mycokey.org/...

Why are you so sure that this obs is Dasyscyphus virgineus in particular, and not any other of the many hundred species of white, small and hairy cup fungi among Lachnum, Hyaloscypha, Cistella, Arachnopeziza etc..?

To me, the hyaline, pin-like hairs look like typical immature sporocarps of a pin mold like Rhizopus, Mucor, Spinellus, Pilobolus etc.
Just to give an example of what they can look like, here’s a closeup of a Rhizopus:
http://www.mycolog.com/20_Rhizopus_on_nectarine_a.jpg

It’s so sad to read your allegations of “political” votings. They are only existing in your head.

Irene
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-04-23 13:09:22 PDT (-0700)

You say you “see that it’s no such thing” but it looks sufficiently like pictures of Dasyscyphus that I don’t think that ID can honestly be ruled out on the basis of the photograph. Which means either you just have a gut feeling it’s something else, or your voting is political in character. As for “if you look close enough”, I looked at it at full zoom and didn’t see anything that definitively rules out Dasyscyphus.

As for my vote’s strength, all of the voting on this one has been distorted for some reason. My vote is artificially strong because the votes against it are artificially strong (as in, much stronger than is warranted by any of the actual evidence supplied by the observer). So why don’t you tell me why your votes are so strong when there’s so little to go on, instead of asking me why mine is?

Paul
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2010-04-23 01:17:57 PDT (-0700)

Of course you can’t find anything in your field guide that resembles a pin mold if it doesn’t include any. Very few field guides do.

Although I can see that you have been playing a ridiculous voting game against both Jonathan’s and my suggestions, I did not vote against Dasyscyphus because you suggested it, but because I see that it’s no such thing. I think you would too, if you look close enough. But I do not claim to know pin molds well enough to suggest a species name, not even a genus. By suggesting a “could be” I’m leaving it open for anyone to make a better suggestion.

I was hoping that you would come forward to explain the features that made you sure enough of Dasyscyphus virgineus to “call it that”, but you still haven’t.

It looks like
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-04-22 17:01:26 PDT (-0700)

my field guide’s image of Dasyscyphus. More to the point, it does not look like my field guide’s image of anything else.

I find it troubling that some people on this site appear to feel the need to vote against names I propose not because the photos or other data provide strong evidence against the proposed name but, perhaps, merely because of who proposed the name. This has two troubling consequences: it may degrade the usefulness of this site if voting on names is sometimes “politicized” in such a manner, and it may create the false public impression that I’m in some way stupid or uneducated when nothing could be farther from the truth. In particular, it may do so by giving a bogus impression of a widespread consensus against everything I suggest; though in fact this “widespread consensus” is really only two or three people, anyone just casually glancing at the percentages won’t realize this.

I must ask that people only vote against names either to elevate a more specific name over it (e.g. to elevate Amanita frostiana over Amanita sp., voting against Amanita sp.) or when the photos or other information supplied by the observer provides substantial evidence against that proposed identification. Neither of these seems to be applicable in this instance.

Looks like a mold to me
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2010-04-21 12:05:46 PDT (-0700)
intersting guess
By: Jonathan M
2010-04-20 13:38:29 PDT (-0700)

they don’t have the cup shape so maybethey are still imature?

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