Observation 52386: Amanita amerimuscaria Tulloss & Geml nom. prov.

When: 2010-09-08

Collection location: Forest near Elgin St., Pembroke, Ontario, Canada [Click for map]

45.789582° -77.133508°

Who: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)

No specimen available

A Fly Agaric in D9B (mixed woods w/some aspen).

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nom. prov.
By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2013-11-18 18:27:45 PST (-0800)

… means a provisional, unpublished name, that may be changed in the future, it is also currently deprecated here at M.O. in favor of A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata; the currently valid name for the western red fly agaric. If you would like to continue to use the name A. amerimuscaria, that is your prerogative. However, no material from the east has been included in the later species description, as of yet. Dr. Rod Tulloss, has intentionally left out material from the east until a more conclusive determination can be made on its placement. I think it would be a good idea to wait until Dr. Tulloss finishes his work on this complex. I am partly to blame for this confusion, I was one of the first people here to start using the name A. amerimuscaria for the eastern variety. Sorry.

“Have” to?
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2013-11-18 16:57:14 PST (-0800)

According to whom? The site has no problem accepting a nom. prov. name and even parses that correctly, so apparently not according to the site authors. Also, where is the nom. prov. coming from if not a published paper somewhere?

By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2013-11-18 08:22:05 PST (-0800)

On M.O. we have to use currently accepted names. I am well aware of the phylogenetic issues surrounding this group. Until there is a paper validly published that raises this mushrooms rank, we are stuck with the name A. muscaria var. guessowii. The thing is, it is not exactly the same as the western taxon, and what name should be implemented in the future, is still a question.

Amanita muscaria sensu stricto…
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2013-11-17 20:00:42 PST (-0800)

…is a Eurasian species that may also be occurring in the far northwest of North America. It is doubtful that it occurs in eastern North America.

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