Observation 53001: Amanita muscaria group

When: 2010-09-15

Collection location: Ravalli Co., Montana, USA [Click for map]

Who: Salvia_Antics

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By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2010-09-16 11:24:52 PDT (-0700)

When you say you have “flesh from the cap” does this mean you have at least part of a dried cap with dried gills attached?

The gills are very important.

For any of your curious Montana amanitas, I am interested in

(1) part or all of a spore print in cases when you have no dried material from the specimen.

(2) part or all of one or more dried caps if and only if there are well-dried gills attached

(3) dried material of entire fruiting bodies or dried material representing at least parts of all the parts of one or more fruiting bodies.

It is important that different collections (even if the same species) made on different dates or at different locations be maintained (before and after drying) in separate wraps, bags, or other containers.

It is very important that all dried collections be labeled clearly as to their geographic origin and date of collections…and some other things.

My separate email, I’m going to send you an unfinished publication about collecting that was drafted by Dr. Yang and me.

Very best,

Rod Tulloss


I have..
By: Salvia_Antics
2010-09-16 10:18:12 PDT (-0700)

flesh from the cap and stem and a spore print from this http://mushroomobserver.org/52761?q=1jRQ . I Only have the dried flesh for 53001(this one) as it wouldn’t print for me. Probably too young. I also have a partial spore print from this guy http://mushroomobserver.org/52631?q=1jRQ but no flesh(tons of maggots).

Is there a chance of getting a spore print if not a dried specimen?
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2010-09-16 09:13:08 PDT (-0700)

While the specimen certainly seems muscarioid in a number of ways, it is small and appears immature, and there is very little red (if any) in the cap. None of these characters say “NOT muscaria,” however, I would want to know what evidence there is that the yellowish variant of A. muscaria (known from the PNW states of the U.S. and SW Canada) occurs over the mountains in Montana. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist there because (from what I know) it’s an open question.

I’d like to know whether the spores of the critter we have here in Salvia Antics images has inamyloid or amyloid spores…just for starters. As a general suggestion for Montana, the Amanita species that Ms. Trueblood collected and sent to A. H. Smith from Idaho should be considered as well as the more well-known taxa. I’m not saying this will help in the present case; but since Salvia Antics is posting interesting amanitas from Montana, I’m just making general suggestions in support of SA’s efforts.

Very best,


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