Observation 55413: Leotia lubrica (Scop.) Pers.

When: 2010-10-09

Collection location: Talpa de Allende, Jalisco, Mexico [Click for map]

Who: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)

No specimen available


dried sample
The cap. Pileipellis on the top, hymenophore on the bottom.
The cap. Pileipellis on the top, hymenophore on the bottom.
The cap. Pileipellis on the top, hymenophore on the bottom.
The cap. Pileipellis on the top, hymenophore on the bottom.
pileus trama
pileus trama
gill edge
gill edge
stipe cuticle
stipe cuticle, with interesting red encrustations
stipe cuticle, with interesting red encrustations
stipe cuticle, with interesting red encrustations
stipe cuticle, with interesting red encrustations

Proposed Names

26% (2)
Recognized by sight: they look dried up.
31% (3)
Recognized by sight
14% (4)
Recognized by sight
58% (1)
Eye3 Eyes3
Recognized by sight: The stems get flat when it dries out
Based on microscopic features: Spore shape matches

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That first in situ
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2011-06-05 10:50:19 CDT (-0400)

is a beautiful shot of this unusual shroom.

Hope I’m not re awakening the sleeping dog, but… One thing I always do is to rinse my mouth with water after tasting a woodland mushroom. Those acrid Russulas and bitter boletes make this a good idea anyway.

Blueberries right from the bush just can’t be beat!

not to take away from all of this dirt eating brouhaha…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2010-10-28 17:38:32 CDT (-0400)

but what a cool little fungus, Alan!
I agree, Cudonia is a good guess, as good as any.

This odd mushroom looks like a cross between a flatworm and an asco!

Maybe usually not a problem
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-18 16:31:03 CDT (-0400)

to eat dirt but the prospect sure does turn my stomach! :-)

And for the record, I hunt in normal outdoor clothes — jeans or shorts and a sweater or tee, jacket over top if its cold, good shoes/boots for rugged environments, and that’s about it except for my backpack full of gear.

I do, of course, wash my hands afterward. :-)

By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2010-10-18 16:10:24 CDT (-0400)

Mushrooms are very clean and it is no problem to taste all the mushrooms you find in the woods. Nearly everything in the woods is clean unless it is rotten, and it is usually not a problem to eat dirt. Try eating fruit without washing it,you will not get sick. Cudonia is a great guess for this observation. I will try to find the dried specimens and so some microscopy, they should be in my tackle box somewhere.

just woke
By: damon brunette (damonbrunette)
2010-10-16 00:17:30 CDT (-0400)

up the neighbors laughing!

Twizzler mushroom hunting
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2010-10-16 00:10:58 CDT (-0400)
By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2010-10-15 16:39:09 CDT (-0400)

I can’t shake this image in my mind of you wandering through the woods with a hazmat suit on, and only handling mushrooms with latex gloves.

By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-15 15:33:35 CDT (-0400)

“And im rather certain than whe all have eated an apple(in tree of falled) and little fruit in the forest and chews grass whitout having any ill effect.”

Then you’d be wrong. I sure don’t put unwashed fruits in my mouth, let alone chew grass, and I doubt very many people older than toddler-age do.

By: Jonathan M
2010-10-15 14:53:42 CDT (-0400)

I never heard of a mycologist wich have such a disease well munching some fungus, And im rather certain than whe all have eated an apple(in tree of falled) and little fruit in the forest and chews grass whitout having any ill effect. After all is may be much more clean than whe may think with those chemical that they put in our food , an human body should get easily rid of the very small quantity of things whe may swallow when whe munch a mushroom.

By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-15 05:20:05 CDT (-0400)

But anthrax is surely not the only nasty soil-borne bug.

show me a naturalist who contracted anthrax in the woods
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2010-10-15 04:59:59 CDT (-0400)

and I’ll show you a occupational hazard-ridden postal worker who just happened to croak in the forest.

The microorganisms
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-15 04:42:46 CDT (-0400)

might be kept in check while they remain in their original environment, but once they are in, say, a human body instead … you do know that the natural habitat of anthrax is soil, right?

i’d eat dirt
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2010-10-15 03:33:03 CDT (-0400)

any day over oral/gastrointestinal contact with any one of a bazillion man-made/-inhabited environments. I’d take no issue whatsoever with Alan taking a big bite out of a tree or munching a handful of soil. we all know fungi are a different story altogether, potential morel relatives especially. on the topic of hygiene as it pertains to forest floors, causes for concern are minimal at most. if I’ve been rolling around in the mud and muck all day looking for fungus, I might be dirty. If I’ve tended bar all night I’m unclean. there’s a difference. for pete’s sake, they tell us antibacterial soap is carcinogenic now.

i can’t help but notice that alan has been absent from this conversation…

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2010-10-14 18:05:57 CDT (-0400)

I live in one of the least hygienic environments imaginable. I think that the forest floor has a much more balanced ecosystem where microorganisms are generally kept in check by others. Sure you wouldn’t want to put a rotting anything in your mouth, but a little dirt? I think that is the least of my worries.

By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-14 17:53:10 CDT (-0400)

We’re talking soil here. Muck, dirt, grime. Not to mention, the forest floor IS a toilet seat for everything that isn’t human and lives there. Some percentage of that black loam is feces. And every cubic centimeter of it is chock full of tiny rotifers and mites and nematodes. And when they gotta go, they gotta go.

Anyway, would you kiss that toilet seat or lick that wrestling mat? :)

I said “one of the least” for a reason. Obviously a pipe full or raw sewage is worse, as is a latrine. But we’re talking damned dirty here by any sane standard.

I wouldn’t be too worried
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2010-10-14 17:12:48 CDT (-0400)

I definitely disagree that forest floors are “one of the least hygenic environments imaginable”.

You’re exposed to MUCH worse at the local gym. High school wrestling mats? Public transportation seats? Public toilets?! All festering, but I use them all without (much) flinching.

But I must admit, my anti-germophobic tendencies are fairly extreme.

Spitting it out
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-14 16:43:15 CDT (-0400)

In that case I’d be less worried about the mushroom’s potential toxins than about bacteria and other germs — you’d be putting something dirty you picked up in one of the least hygienic environments imaginable in your mouth!

But Alan’s comment said he “ate” it, not just “tasted” it…

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2010-10-14 16:28:42 CDT (-0400)

It’s fine if it is a fungal fruit body and you spit it all out. Alan and I have both “tasted” deadly mushrooms, making sure to spit all of it out. While I am not suggesting that everyone should start tasting mushrooms that are known to be poisonous, I’m just saying that it can be done safely.

By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2010-10-14 03:42:08 CDT (-0400)

just the good old rule that if you find something on the ground and don’t know what it is, don’t put it in your mouth.

Especially these
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2010-10-13 20:21:34 CDT (-0400)

since close relatives of them definitely contain highly toxic gyromitrin. Which will feature in tonight’s Law and Order: SVU episode in less than two hours.

The other particularly dangerous groups for experimentation, besides the Cudonia/Helvella/Gyromitra group of ascos, are LBMs (some have amanitin, particularly in Galerina and Pholiotina), corts (orellanin, overlaps with LBMs), and amanitas and lepiotas (amanitin, of course, plus other toxins). But almost no group can be considered safe for experimentation. Gomphidius and Cantharellus, maybe. It’s just that outside the above-mentioned danger groups it’s unlikely that a small quantity (a few grams) will kill or permanently harm you given prompt medical treatment. And even then there are some real nasties given cumulative exposure — Tricholoma, Paxillus, even Russula for God’s sake.

a bold move
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2010-10-13 17:23:04 CDT (-0400)

to be snacking on unidentified fungi, don’t you think?

Probably not Leotia
By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2010-10-12 22:33:49 CDT (-0400)

I ate one of the caps and it was not slimy.

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