Observation 56643: Amanita muscaria var. persicina Dav.T. Jenkins
When: 2010-10-25
Herbarium specimen reported
0 Sequences

Checked out a few more hundred acres of woodlands today, note the habitat picture, it was fun in there.

Amanita muscaria var. persicina was everywhere, just this species and Ps. weilii growing side by side sometimes. Lots of loblolly pine in parts, and another species of pine I did not recognize.

Again note the color of the pilei, some were “champagne yellow” with just slight peachy hues in the areas not exposed to the sun.

[admin – Sun Nov 14 14:13:34 +0000 2010]: Changed location name from ‘Fannin Co, GA’ to ‘Fannin Co., Georgia, USA


The other pictures above show how “champagne yellow” these can become, this side shows the slightest peach color.
The majority of the land I was on was like this, a friend was kind enough to allow me to hunt their 500 acres of pine and oak forest.

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By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2010-12-24 17:48:24 EST (-0500)

Anything south of that and west to Texas.

By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2010-12-24 17:22:31 EST (-0500)

What is your definition of the Southeast? Rod has verified it from North Carolina.

NORTH CAROLINA—Gaston Co. – Gaston Memorial Cemetery, ix.1995 Henry Rhyne s.n. (RET). Iredell Co. – 0.3 km N of Spring Shore Dr. on Pineville Rd., x.1995 A. Stanley s.n. (RET).
By: Erlon (Herbert Baker)
2010-12-24 12:50:14 EST (-0500)

There is NO proof Amanita amerimuscaria occurs in the southeast.

By: AmatoxinApocalypse (AmatoxinApocalypse)
2010-10-28 10:47:56 EDT (-0400)

No I have not been in this area during the late summer months, just recently. My friends knew that I loved the genus Amanita so told me to come check out the forest their land is on since Amanitas have been seen there.. I know they grow Christmas trees for some money, but this was not part of that. These were scraggly pines, very small in height and skinny trunks. The majority were 20-30 feet tall and these were surrounded by smaller 4-8 foot tall trees. Extremely dense forest makes it hard to walk without catching a few spiders to the face, doing the spider dance in a space that restricts ones movements is not fun :)

It has been raining here so I am hoping to get more specimens before it gets to cold. How long after the rain does it take for Amanita mushrooms to fruit? I have seen it rain and checked some good spots a week after and saw no specimens, but I went back 3 weeks after it rained and the area was full of beautiful specimens. So I am thinking Amanitas take longer to fruit because they are larger in stature, is this correct?

I am still writing a small guide on the genus Amanita in Norther Georgia so I have a ton of questions. Sorry I am in a rush, gotta go hunt, I will be back on later.

Curious description of the forest
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2010-10-26 17:01:33 EDT (-0400)

This restricted number of amanitas in 100s of acres of forest is an odd thing. Have you been in there in August and September? Is it a natural forest or was it planted?

Our most product forests (for amanita diversity) are the mixed forests with oak and pine or oak and beech and hickory. Planted areas of pine just don’t have the diversity that a natural mixed forest does. In fact, I have friends in the NJ Mycol. Assoc. Who don’t do much hunting in pine forest until the fall comes; then the pine forests have Tricholoma spp. and boletes and a few amanitas.


By: AmatoxinApocalypse (AmatoxinApocalypse)
2010-10-26 15:35:44 EDT (-0400)

I was thinking the same thing but have a bad habit of not following my gut. I have just never seen Amanita amerimuscaria (yellow form) around my friends farm, only var. persicina. I agree with you, and will be going back for more pictures soon.

Its strange how in this area of forest there is only Amanita amerimusaria and Amanita musaria var. persicina as far as Amanita species go, I thought there would be other Amanita species. I was checking the size of some of the specimens today since last night I was tired and basically came home and went to bed after hunting. I noticed the specimens with well defined concentric rings were much larger, yes definitely a mixed collection.

Thanks for your input Rod.

The plentiful rings of volva…
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2010-10-25 21:55:09 EDT (-0400)

The plentiful rings of volva in these photographs are not supposed to be present in var. persicina. Yellow caps are not reported for persicina; sun-exposed caps are a dull slightly brownish orange in my experience.

It might be that there are some var. persicina in these pictures; however, when I downloaded some of the images at full-size, color-corrected them in Photoshop, and examined them, I came to the following conclusion.

Using the photographs alone, I believe that many of the mushrooms in these images as well as the earlier observation from same count of Georgia are A. muscaria var. guessowii (=A. amerimuscaria yellow variant). Working from photographs and trying to distinguish var. persicina from the common, yellow to yellow-orange muscarioid taxon of eastern North America. We have two characters that are useful. Cap color (which can be confusing when the caps have both red-orange and yellow areas) and the presence/absence of the rings of universal veil material on the lower part of the stem and the upper part of the stem’s bulb. Absence or near absence of this decoration is pointed to as a significant character in the orginal description of var. persicina. It is a commonly present character in var. guessowii.

Hence, many of the pictured taxa (again, remember, based on macroscopic characters alone) contradict the original description of var. persicina. Hence, based on the evidence we have in hand, we cannot conclude that this material uniformly comprises material of var. persicina.

Hence, my vote is to reduce the degree of certainty associated with the original proposed ID significantly.



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