Observation 62347: Lactarius rubidus (Hesler & A.H. Sm.) Methven
When: 2011-01-13
No herbarium specimen

Notes: posted this to show unusually red specimens of L. rubidus
They look similar to L. rufulus but are more slender, have a hollow stipe and that odor

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Recognized by sight: not hollow but stuffed stipe. red color. oak habitat. hefty gestalt…all say the oak candy cap.

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Now we’re on the same page
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2012-03-23 10:39:04 PDT (-0700)

I just wanted to emphasize that the information we have here (photo and notes) doesn’t actually get us anywhere definitive (certainly not close enough for an As if!) on borderline cases of orange sweet-smelling Lactarius in CA.

too bad kid…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2012-03-23 10:10:34 PDT (-0700)

your loss.

You, Christian, have plenty of California collecting experience.
Noah, especially from last year, did not.

But more importantly, the reasons that he stated for an ID guess-timate of rubidus did not exclude an ID of rufulus, and in fact the evidence leans towards rufulus instead, for reasons clearly stated below. And as to “red” the reddness of these are exactly why Noah posted them originally…to “show” that “rubidus” could be “red” like a rufulus!

As to the tripe that you quoted…there is no question in my mind where you stand Noah, you have made yourself abundantly clear already, but flashing that garbage around just demeans you. Way to raise the bar, Bro.

Everyone flings around an AS IF! as needed, why should I be any different? But without a specimen to back this up, it is all conjecture from both sides.

Christian please,..
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2012-03-23 09:40:09 PDT (-0700)

“I will no longer participate in any mycological discussions with the DV because I find the experience hopelessly unrewarding (and even embarrassing)”

‘Limited collecting experience’?!!!
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2012-03-23 09:34:12 PDT (-0700)

Okay, that, to begin with, is just false.

Secondly, there’s no way that color is unambiguosly red.

Here’s some darker red-orange specimens from under conifers:
observation 61995
observation 19860
_ observation 16051_

These aren’t that stocky, either.

Noah – it’s not about ego…

let’s see…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2012-03-23 09:32:35 PDT (-0700)

no specimen, limited collecting experience and ambiguous details (“hollow” stipe, candy cap odor), as well as the unambiguous details of a red color and an oak habitat….hmmmmm.

I think not.

As to whether these correspond to original descriptions through mico-analysis, DNA or whatever…who knows. But Lactarius rufulus is indeed what we have been calling these oak-dwelling, red-capped, stocky candy cap species here in the BA, NOT rubidus.

Really?
By: Christian (Christian Schwarz)
2012-03-23 09:32:19 PDT (-0700)

As if?

You’re that confident based on a photo and fruitbodies you didn’t see?

Despite the ‘variability’ you mention, you are nonetheless absolutely certain that a sequence would definitely vindicate L. rufulus?

I know Noah’s from the East and everything…

I guess we haven’t had a senseless ID battle on MO in awhile…

Oak candy caps
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2012-03-23 00:25:17 PDT (-0700)

These may not be the same as the conifer L. rubidus (or maybe the conifer one isn’t the real rubidus… I haven’t read the original description lately) but these are not L. rufulus

gee, species are variable in their morphology?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-01-15 10:18:25 PST (-0800)

say it ain’t so! I was up there yesterday and I also saw those redder, more robust forms, but they are usually with oak. wonder what the DNA will tell us about these similar Lactarius species?

No herbarium specimen, maybe, but plenty of kitchen ones, eh?

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