Observation 67512: Morchella elata group
When: 2011-05-14
No herbarium specimen

Notes: morels were sparse.

Proposed Names

49% (6)
Recognized by sight: growing in sunny location along creek, area rich in elk dung.
45% (5)
Recognized by sight: Based on location of find, and personal collecting from the area. This is the classic Oregon “Burn site” morel, which actually only needs a little disturbance to fruit.
11% (2)
Recognized by sight
86% (1)
Eye3 Eyes3
Recognized by sight

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
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morel names
By: BlueCanoe
2012-04-13 17:32:24 CDT (-0400)

I agree that there remains quite a bit of difficulty in identifying morels short of DNA, and some are still impossible, but the O’Donnell et al. 2011 paper was focused on molecular phylogeny more than formal taxonomy. The new Kuo et al. 2012 paper (also co-authored by O’Donnell) goes a lot further in terms of field identification.

ah, the morel name game: like kids with a new toy!
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2012-04-13 17:03:26 CDT (-0400)

One of the main points of the below recent major morel paper is…that beyond whether one has a blonde or black or wood-chip rufobrunnea in hand…you CAN’T tell it to species by just looking. the paper cites only two exceptions to that rule: the distinct, ladder-like pits of Morchella tomentosa and the yellow morel M. steppicola from the Balkans.

All others can only be known in hand to their clades, i.e., either the elata clade (blacks) or the esculenta clade (blondes).

So sure, this is a Morchella… but as a black morel, the best name would be Morchella (elata clade). No argument, I hope, that this is either a blonde or rufobrunnea. It was also NOT growing on a burn, not that that really makes much of a difference.

Quote below.

From the “Phylogeny and historical biogeography of true morels…”O’Donnel et al

“Not surprisingly, their extreme morphological
stasis has contributed to the enormous taxonomic confusion
within this genus. Morels, for example, can easily be identified
as members of the Esculenta (yellow morels) or Elata (black morels)
Clades, but only one species within each clade (Mes-1 = M. steppicola
and Mel-1 = M. tomentosa) can be distinguished currently using phenotypic
data.”

LOL me too
By: Charles Seltenright Sr (Shroomin Yooper)
2011-05-20 06:50:11 CDT (-0400)
well, I guess that it’s a change of pace…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-05-18 12:54:13 CDT (-0400)

to be fighting over morel names rather than amanitas! think that i’ll sit this one out…I called ’em “delicious” when I ate them last night. ;)

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