Observation 68812: Morchella prava Dewsbury, Moncalvo, J.D.Moore & M.Kuo
When: 2011-06-08
No herbarium specimen
0 Sequences

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Recognized by sight
Used references: Just have a look to the Boudier-Plates
25% (2)
Recognized by sight
53% (3)
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Recognized by sight: how deformed is deformed enough?

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By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-20 21:35:51 CDT (-0400)

Mike’s “prava” was not DNA confirmed, altho it was morpho suggestive of that species, and did occur with conifers.

there may be no DNA confirmed examples of prava here in the west.

well, it turns out that it has been documented for the west coast.
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-18 19:57:36 CDT (-0400)

Mike Beug has found it and I assume DNA confirmed in the PNW. It just hasn’t been confirmed in CA to my knowledge, but that was also true last year around M. brunnea! So, with a bit of DNA and keen eyed observers, we are learning at quite a fast clip.

Fun!

Just received a morel care package from Hugh, with several examples of CA Sierra M. exuberans. We have guests here tonight, but hopefully tomorrow I can scope it and put it up on the only confirmed exuberans obsie on MO.

So far. Altho I do believe that Pastorino may well have had the first, here:

http://mushroomobserver.org/163773?q=4E24

Well, Debbie…
By: I. G. Safonov (IGSafonov)
2017-04-18 19:12:15 CDT (-0400)

Good point about the geography. The deformity and the habitat point toward prava, but the known distribution range of the species as per Kuo’s paper (the 43–50°N belt) is a piece of data that doesn’t fit. So it all boils down to probabilities in the absence of any other info associated with this collection. What more likely — prava in CA or americana growing under conifers in CA or this being an undescribed species from sect. Morchella?

yeah.
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2017-04-18 17:43:25 CDT (-0400)

humility comes hard and fast in the name that morel game!

sometimes we just see what we want to see, and ignore the bits that don’t fit.

so, deformity (such as it is) plus conifers lean this even more strongly towards
prava. Remember, last year, I didn’t know that prava occurred in CA!

Obviously americana?
By: I. G. Safonov (IGSafonov)
2017-04-18 17:19:30 CDT (-0400)

Yes, especially if you keep ignoring those pine needles piled high and deep. :-)

obviously americana …
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2016-05-04 16:04:35 CDT (-0400)

now that we know what to look for!

keep on looking backwards for these pre-working-knowlege IDs!

addendum 4/18/17: morels? obvious? AS IF!!!

stay flexible, my friends.

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