Observation 78030: Amanita sect. Validae (Fr.) Singer

When: 2011-10-04

Collection location: Popocatépetl, Mexico, Mexico [Click for map]

Who: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)

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3650 meters elevation, under Pinus hartwegii.

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In direct sunlight in higher elevations, the original cap color will be UV-altered rather quickly.
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-08-26 16:27:35 CDT (-0400)

I think the original color of this may be a sort red-orange. At least I saw quite a bit of that on Malinche at many elevations.


this species is a dead-ringer…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-08-26 15:32:14 CDT (-0400)

for the illustration of Amanita aspera, pg. 79, in the Mexican Amanita book:
Iconografia de Macromicetos de Mexico, 1 Amanita, by Perez-Silva.

There is also another illustration in that book that is pretty much a dead ringer for our CA franchetii/augusta. They call it aspera var. franchetii.

At any rate, this amanita is NOT flavoconia.

By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2013-08-26 11:04:56 CDT (-0400)

Britt Bunyard has it.

By: Sam.Schaperow (SamSchaperow)
2013-08-25 22:22:32 CDT (-0400)

is there a picture of that cake? I’d like to see it. I’ve posted a couple cakes to MO, w/their approval for non-fungal poss, btw.

have you tried the Mexican flavoconia yet?
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-10-08 12:08:28 CDT (-0400)

not just a market species, but apparently good luck, too! Britt Bunyard took a great photo of a Mexican-American wedding cake in Denver that had spun-sugar flavoconia as decoration! Beats those trite roses…

By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2011-10-08 04:21:33 CDT (-0400)

This is pretty close to La Malinche, you can see it from Popocatépetl on a clear day.

I plan to measure the spores if I see any more flavoconia. I probably will, its everywhere.

I saw a guy selling edible mushrooms and he had A. flavoconia in his basket. Its commonly eaten in Mexico.

It’s going back some years, ….
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2011-10-07 22:15:40 CDT (-0400)

I remember collecting a species of sect. Validae at 3000 m elevation or more on La Malintzi (La Malinche) that was placed in A. flavorubens by a number of colleagues in Mexico. I thought it was distinct. What bugs me now is that I can’t remember whether I thought I was seeing more than one species of this general type.

The habit doesn’t seem gracile enough for inquinata.

Some info on inquinata can also be found here:


very best,


By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-10-05 11:29:40 CDT (-0400)

that UV coulda been yellow, and the cap does look faded from an original, brighter color, but that very bright yellow color under the pilipellis seems distinctive…and doesn’t get a mention in inquinita species descriptions. here’s a photo of it:


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