Observation 8029: Macrolepiota clelandii Grgur.
When: 2008-01-10
No herbarium specimen

Notes: I do have more mature specimens of this fungi and will add to the posting when I locate the images.

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Proposed Names

-18% (3)
Recognized by sight
Used references
95% (4)
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Used references: I agree with Irene that the key does not help, but it does narrow it down to four species. The description of the macrocharacters for these four species leads to M. clelandii, especially since Macrolepiota procera is not listed as occuring in Australia. Dr. Else Vellinga also gives the current name for updating and correcting several common mushroom books of Australian fungi, which gives this pdf file an added value for Ian Dodd.
http://plantbio.berkeley.edu/...

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Procera or clelandii New post 8311

I have posted some new images that I would very much appreciate any input regarding the naming and comparison of same. I am really confused still till this point which is the correct naming and hope the additional images may help to clear up the doubts I have. (please see post 8311)

Still not Macrolepiota procera
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2008-06-22 02:52:37 PDT (-0700)

Ian, the species Macrolepiota clelandii wasn’t described until 1997. If you read Vellinga’s article, you’ll find that before that (and probably several years after), australian books used other names on it. Most commonly procera, but also konradii and mastoidea.

Macrolepiota clelandii is a close relative to Macrolepiota procera, but looks rather different. M. procera is a larger species with broad caps, normally 25-30 cm, and the stem has brown girdles below the ring. Google and compare your pictures with that one. If your parasols come close to the size of M. procera, I’ll consider something else than M. clelandii..

Here are more pictures:

http://morwellnp.pangaean.net/...

http://www.blueswami.com/...

http://www.naturebase.net/...

http://www.fungiphoto.com/CTLG/IMAGES/IM/0772-05.jpg

Re ID Macroppepiota ?

Please forgive me but I am not really comfortable with Macrolepiota clelandii. The reference I used was an Australian reference by Bruce Fuhrer. Photos of both appear on the same page of his reference book. (I have learnt not to put a name to a specimen unless I am tottally sure. In this instance I was without doubt.)As I am a rank amateur I would appreciate to know how you can make a positve identification from only one reference without a comparison.I am a very keen beginner in the Shroom identification and two aspects do not sit easily with me in the renaming. EG. (1) The locality that I photographed the fungi is almost identical to the area described by Bruce.
(2) The reference that I have shows the stem as it is (in the image I presented )and in the reference book image.(B.FUHRER) I did look at Clives image (Hidden Forest), and can see how you came to the decision about the stem colour. I feel that the green in the stem colour is actually a colour cast or correct for M.clelandii. I do hold some claim as a photographer, and I colour balance all my images and use ICC profiles that are much closer in colour representation than publication printing unless it is specifically colour set for true colour. I also white balance my images, which are shot in Raw, and only use fill flash when necessary. There are a couple of colours that all printers have trouble with and they are purple and some shades of blue\green. I have noticed on a couple of occasions that when I get a close comparison of an Australian fungi it sometimes gets over-ruled by an overseas name. Darvin will appreciate the B.Fuhrer references wheb he gets them and see what I am debating. I really have had exceptional help and only query when what I see doesnt stack up. Over to you.

Yes!
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2008-06-21 08:37:40 PDT (-0700)

Darv, I think you are right on the spot here.
I managed to find a picture too:
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/...

Macrolepiota, probably
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2008-06-21 02:48:51 PDT (-0700)

It doesn’t look like procera to me. The stalk is too smooth and it seems to be slightly reddening at the base.

I checked the descriptions of Australian species
http://plantbio.berkeley.edu/...
but I’m not sure if this one is covered in the key. Several new species (or varieties) of Macrolepiota are recently described.

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