Observation 8097: Cyptotrama asprata (Berk.) Redhead & Ginns
When: 2013-02-09
No herbarium specimen

Notes: This is always one of my favourites. Found regularly in Comboyne State Forest each fungi season.
Some more images added 2013 season start.


Copyright © 2008 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
Copyright © 2009 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
This specimen was photographed at Katang Nature Reserve Dunbogan Near Port Macquarie NSW Australia.
Copyright © 2009 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
Image taken in Katang Nature Reserve Dunbogan Headland.
Copyright © 2008 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
Copyright © 2009 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
It was interesting to see the small mites or possibly invertabrates. This is the point of interest in the image.
Copyright © 2009 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
Image taken at Diamond Head National Park NSW. Sustrate: rotting stump. Area coastal heathlands.
Copyright © 2009 Ian Dodd Kundabung NSW Australia
See notes previous image.(40321)
Found at Katang Reserve January 2013
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Images added to existing file.
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Proposed Names

-24% (3)
Recognized by sight
Used references
63% (6)
Recognized by sight: Ian IDed it. this is just the prefered name.
16% (2)
Recognized by sight
62% (2)
Recognized by sight

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I have kept the last specimen loaded. If anyone would like the dried sample – 1st in best dressed!.

What is what
By: Clive Shirley (myxo)
2009-04-28 00:53:30 CDT (-0400)

Welcome to my world!! I regularly find differences in New Zealand species and those same species found over the other side of the equator. Look at the dark form of Cyptotrama asprata that I cam across last season


We have an on going problem with Northern hemisphere mycologist coming to NZ and giving our fungi northern hemisphere names. With so few local mycologist it can be many years before these ID errors are corrected. You may see this happening at the up coming foray.

By: Johannes Harnisch (Johann Harnisch)
2009-04-27 22:54:32 CDT (-0400)

how do you do DNA test?

What is what
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2009-04-27 22:13:37 CDT (-0400)

when I found it in Australia a couple of years ago my first reaction was “it’s being called what!”
It looks really different from what we call Cyptotrama asprata in NE North America as Dan said ours is granular/powdery… That being said look at the pictures from NZ
Now if someone told you that they are the same species would you believe it?

Has anybody done DNA work, etc. on Cyptotrama?

cap decoration wrong
By: Dan Molter (shroomydan)
2009-04-27 21:30:00 CDT (-0400)

This one is hairy, not grainy like the other OBs of Cyptotrama asprata.

Edit: I see smooth, hairy, and grainy caps on what we are calling Cyptotrama asprata. I think at least two species are going by this name on MushroomObserver.

By: Johannes Harnisch (Johann Harnisch)
2009-04-27 21:23:56 CDT (-0400)

Its the fungus’s name that is neutral fem etc.


So saying what you have been so kind to carefully explain, are they, Female, Neutral & male Fungi? or is my interpretation lousy?. What do you think is correct. “a” , " um " . the night is late and the grey cells are failing. chow kk

Hi folks :)
By: Gerhard Koller (Gerhard)
2009-04-27 20:13:59 CDT (-0400)

the Latin name Trama (Cypto- is Greek but will not bother us here) meaning “context” is femininum and therefore ends on vowel “a”. Feminine names need feminine adjectives, and therefore you have to put asprata. Take the name Tricholoma … it is Greek meaning “hairy brink” and it is neutrum, so the adjective is “imbricatum”, for -um is for neutrums, -a is for femininums and -us is for masculinums, as in Cantharellus cibarius. This is the usual case but there are as always some exceptions to the rule but generally you can use it this way …

Cyptotrama “um”

Douglas, Unfortunately Bruce Fuhrer seems to be the only author that uses “um”
I looked at several sites and they all use “a” It is a wonder some-one hasn’t picked this up before? I will stick with the “a” in future. Chow, kk

I thought this was Cyptotrama asprata
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2009-04-27 07:33:56 CDT (-0400)

I thought the spelling was to be Cyptotrama asprata. My slight understanding of these things is that if the genus ends in a vowel, then the species name should end in a vowel.

By: Clive Shirley (myxo)
2009-04-27 05:20:57 CDT (-0400)

There seams to be two different spellings for this with Cyptotrama asprata been the other?


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