Observation 82466: Cortinarius subgenus Phlegmacium (Fr.) Fr.

When: 2011-11-13

Collection location: Tomales Bay State Park, Marin Co., California, USA [Click for map]

Who: Darvin DeShazer (darv)

No specimen available

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Eye3 = Observer’s choice
Eyes3 = Current consensus

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By: Ron Pastorino (Ronpast)
2011-11-14 21:12:57 PST (-0800)
Same mushrooms but a little more info.
Haha.
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2011-11-14 11:33:32 PST (-0800)

Irene, after reading the descriptions I agree with you… I’ll leave this to Dimi.

I give up
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-11-14 11:22:08 PST (-0800)

call it whatever you like, it won’t be a useful name anyway :-)

KOH
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2011-11-14 09:24:23 PST (-0800)


Cap

Flesh

KOH rxns. are very useful for cort ID…
By: Debbie Viess (amanitarita)
2011-11-14 09:12:42 PST (-0800)

It woulda been nice to have shown photos of them here, but if red in context, red-brown in cap, it does sound like C. fulmineus etc. etc.

I have to assume that Noah was with Darv when he collected these, since he did the KOH on them. In hand color trumps photos every time.

I didn’t see lilac.
By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2011-11-14 08:24:54 PST (-0800)

They were more grayish. But, yeah. Not yellow.

KOH rxn was bright red in flesh, dark reddish-brown going dark brown on cap.

Where
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-11-14 07:51:18 PST (-0800)

do you read that “Cortinarius fulmineus sensu Moser & Ammirati” has lilac gills?
Don’t you agree that this one has?

2 views by Moser?
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2011-11-14 06:31:07 PST (-0800)

From the paper by Bojantchev & Davis:
Moser MM and Ammirati JF. 1997. Studies on North American Cortinarii IV: New and interesting Cortinarius species (subgenus Phlegmacium) from oak forests in Northern California. Sydowia 49(1): 25–48.

OK Noah
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-11-14 02:03:57 PST (-0800)

but this one has lilac gills.

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By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2011-11-14 01:00:08 PST (-0800)

See http://mushroomobserver.org/28207 for a lively discussion on this species….

I suggested the name to Darvin, after comparing it to the pictures in
“Cortinarius xanthodryophilus sp. nov. -a common Phlegmacium under oaks in California.” Bojantchev & Davis.
Cortinarius xanthodryophilus

Interesting suggestion
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2011-11-13 23:23:10 PST (-0800)

but Cortinarius fulmineus sensu Moser is something else – a phlegmacium that is completely yellow to orange, including the gills (sect. Fulvi).

This reminds a lot of C. caesiocortinatus..

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