Observation 84770: Entoloma Fr. ex P. Kumm.
When: 2011-06-04
(39.141621° -121.053841° )
No herbarium specimen

Notes: By a golf course near recently disturbed ground. Ground wood chips had been laid over grass months previously. The specimens came up through the wood chips. The gills were pink to memory as were the spores though that memory can be mistaken. Not strongly scented.

Photographed black and white 5×7 inch film at close to 1:1 making their size about 4 to 5 inches tall.

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Sorry for that
By: amadej trnkoczy (amadej)
2011-12-19 03:14:57 PST (-0800)

I realize I misunderstood your words Danny. Sorry for that. You are certainly right in respect to identification of species. Your words about ‘problem’ and limited ‘usefulness’ somehow triggered me to (over)react. I am slowly getting rid of overly calculative way of thinking, which sees value only in useful things and glorifies efficiency and immediacy above all else. This type of thinking dominates so strongly around us and in us, too often at the expense of more meditative thinking. Dana’s admirable picture seemed to me an excellent opportunity to think in this often neglected way. Sorry also for my bad English.

Re: Aesthetics and Identification
By: Dana Bruce (photodana)
2011-12-18 14:09:33 PST (-0800)

Thank you Bloodworm and amadej. I pride myself in attempting to make beautiful images, and at the time it was my attempt as a traditional black and white film photographer to do an homage of one of the masters who photographed a mushroom probably back in the 40’s. To my chagrin I cannot find that image. When I do, I will inform the Mushroom Observer of the photographer and hopefully time and place of the image.

To Danny Newman’s defense, the identification of the mushroom was my goal in posting the image and my specific request of Danny. I had misplaced my Arora book, and thanks to Danny learned of this cite just this week months after having photographed the mushroom.

I wish to thank all of you for your input. My goal is to work with multiple levels of aesthetics layered with comprehension. The mushroom is beautiful, but is it edible and if so, choice? Beauty for me is not only visual but gustatorial. I was raised on ‘Shrimps’ some twenty years ago. Now I’m just looking into revisiting those experiences. Your help in my discovery is much appreciated!

re: amadej
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2011-12-18 12:16:53 PST (-0800)

My comments were in no way meant to be either disparaging nor discouraging of B&W photography. I happen to know from meeting the observer in person that he hopes to obtain an ID for these. In that pursuit, the choice of B&W over color may be a hindrance. Otherwise, any photographer who opts for B&W or sepia or monochrome or what have you is as welcome to contribute here as any other.

As a side note, I’m not quite sure what you mean by this:

“Should we everything what is in the first place or even ‘only’ beautiful put aside?”

B&W photography limits the viewer
By: amadej trnkoczy (amadej)
2011-12-18 10:02:14 PST (-0800)

Dan you are no doubt objectively correct. Color can be rather diagnostic in mycology and B&W photography limits the viewer from some useful information.


Should really everything of human interest be in the first place useful and/or ‘diagnostic’. Is this an absolute prerequisite that something is justifiable? Should we everything what is in the first place or even ‘only’ beautiful put aside? Hey, let us try also to love and admire this world, to be grateful, to enjoy it, and not only to understand and capture it.

I see no problems in B&W photos on MO. What about B&W drawings? Some so beautiful and descriptive and educational!

Dana thank you for this wonderful picture.

i love the picture…
By: Richard and Danielle Kneal (bloodworm)
2011-12-18 00:15:36 PST (-0800)
Hi Dana
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2011-12-17 18:38:26 PST (-0800)

and welcome to the site! Your observations presents an interesting problem, one which may very well be unique to all observations on the site so far. Color can be rather diagnostic in differentiating higher fungi. Aesthetic beauty aside, your choice of B&W photography limits the viewer from gleaning potentially useful information.

That said, if your gills/spores were truly pink, that helps to narrow it down some, though no names immediately come to mind. Perhaps the same golf course will produce another fruiting sometime next year.

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