Observation 90784: Morchella vulgaris group
When: 2011-04-19
No herbarium specimen

Notes: from the same place in all different stages of development and therefore I even consider the differentiation of color between gray, yellow and brownish-reddish useless

but I can tell for sure THEY TASTED EXCELLENT

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Recognized by sight: I consider all of them close to M. vulgaris or rotunda which latter name is unapplicable IMO

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Thanks Irene
By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2012-03-24 13:07:52 PDT (-0700)

That is the study which I have not read. The link to http://www.sciencedirect.com/...
is where the 19 North American species were listed, 11 in the west. 6 in the east and two overlapping.

This one?
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2012-03-24 11:06:10 PDT (-0700)
A recent study
By: walt sturgeon (Mycowalt)
2012-03-24 10:23:36 PDT (-0700)

by Kuo and several others found 19 genetic species in North America alone. Of course morphologically some of these are indistinguishable. I will try to get a copy of the report or at least where it was published.

Big trouble
By: Irene Andersson (irenea)
2012-03-24 10:11:23 PDT (-0700)

I don’t think you can find two european countries that use the same set of names for the Morchella species, or interprete them in similar ways.
Here in Sweden the checklists tell us to use esculenta for vulgaris and rotunda, conica for elata. Instead, spongiosa and deliciosa are separate – but no one reports them..

Depends on what you believe I guess …
By: Gerhard Koller (Gerhard)
2012-03-24 09:54:18 PDT (-0700)

What I call M. esculenta usually grows with Rosaceae whereas M. vulgaris and allies can be found with elms and ash trees in alluvial forests but range may overlap and often it is impossible to apply either names to either species although I am sure there are people who will tell you otherwise. It is such a mess that I declare it a hopeless case for the moment.

Gerhard, that’s the problem with
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2012-03-24 08:58:14 PDT (-0700)

“common names” that are based upon color.

I find morels around here that look just like the Austrian ones you posted here. But I’ve always called them “esculenta”… well y’know that story already. My point is this. In Austria how does one differentiate between M. esculenta and M. vulgaris?

It will be interesting to see if DNA studies end up correlating with some of these distinctions.

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