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When: 2013-07-26

Collection location: Rockingham Co., North Carolina, USA [Click for map]

Who: pete (petepann)

No specimen available

Red staining bulb. Veil seems free from stem though its hard to say in such adolescents.
No splits in bulb rules out A. daucipes.


Amanita sect. Lepidella
Amanita sect. Lepidella
Amanita sect. Lepidella

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Thanks for your patience..
By: pete (petepann)
2013-07-26 16:38:00 CDT (-0500)

Doing my utmost best to retain and utilize your instruction.

Another thought…
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-07-26 16:31:36 CDT (-0500)

Amanita subcokeri is Amanita most commonly found with blue growths of Penicillium mold on the warts on the cap. I’ve seen this repeatedly in the past decades.

Very best,


At my age, disregarding (or completely forgetting) is getting easier and easier. :)
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-07-26 16:28:40 CDT (-0500)

You need a membranous, persistent, skirt like volva with fibers on the underside connecting to the stem to be more like cokeri and subcokeri. A crumbly partial veil is not going to be either of them. Also, cokeri and subcokeri both tend to have a partial veil that is double…really. Two skirts either joined at their “hems” or distinctly separate on the stem. (The latter is rather rare, but I’ve seen it.)

Amanita abrupta also has those fibers connecting to the stem, but it has that flat-topped bulb that is much shorter and looks much less like a root or a carrot.

Amanita subcokeri has a smell (burnt sugar and cedar wood to me) even in the button sometimes. Amanita cokeri does not have a smell until it gets oldish and them it goes the “old ham” route.

Amanita subcokeri shows reddish or pinkish staining on the bulb and has smallish warts that tend to remain fixed to the cap surface. Amanita cokeri does not have such staining and has larger warts that wash off more easily.

Amanita subcokeri can be very common; Amanita cokeri seems to be rather uncommon.

I hope this helps a bit.

Then there is the full immersion approach:

Very best,


Disregard last statement…
By: pete (petepann)
2013-07-26 16:10:23 CDT (-0500)

I jumped the gun. Thought you were gonna leave me hanging in suspense. I should have known better than that!! Thanks again. I am SOO trying to get this right.

I do my BEST to retain all you teach…
By: pete (petepann)
2013-07-26 16:06:53 CDT (-0500)

and yet I still can not get it right. So is this “regular” A. cokeri or is she to young and deformed to tell? Dern, thats aggravating!

By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-07-26 16:05:14 CDT (-0500)

has red-staining on the bulb sometimes and a deeply rooting bulb with low, but distinctly raised, line encircling said bulb. The fluffy warts are more like rhopalopus than subcokeri or ravenelii which both could have rooting bulbs of the type you depict. The fluffy warts also probably eliminate daucipes which has a volva that tends to split on vertical planes…often producing volval remnants ranging from cakes or mesas to needles.

I have a feeling that this poor critter is under attack by multiple organisms. It does not appear to be feeling well.

We may never know what it is.

Very best,


The floccose partial veil
By: R. E. Tulloss (ret)
2013-07-26 15:54:34 CDT (-0500)

says, “I am not subcokeri.”

Very best,