Original Herbarium Label: Clitocybe sinopica (Fr.) P. Kumm.

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Re: So you don’t blindly accept the work of this guy?
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-19 01:09:48 CDT (-0400)

No I don’t. See Index Fungorum Publications no. 200 and no. 202.

By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-19 00:14:20 CDT (-0400)

Yes, it would be better to call it Agaricus sinopicus than Bonomyces sinopicus. If you search in MyCoPortal for Bonomyces sinopicus, you will get no hit. On the other hand, if you search there for Agaricus sinopicus, you get all the 217 Clitocybe sinopica collections! Never mind that Agaricus sinopicus is a “deprecated synonym”.

Taxonomy & nomenclature …
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-18 16:39:19 CDT (-0400)

are two different things. Ask Vizzini, how I should label our specimens. I am sure that he would tell you that it really does not matter. That’s the nomenclature. As for the taxonomy, you have lumpers and splitters and it’s up to you, if you jump on any new segregate or wait how it will be accepted by other mycologists. In addition, notwithstanding the fact that Cortinarius ceskae was described in Index Fungorum Publications (IFP), I don’t like IFP. Within the span of two days, you can describe the same taxon, based on the same holotype, under two different names, and the IFP editor does not notice that. Cf: Entoloma medianox IFP # 220 and E. medianocte IFP # 222. In addition, it would not be the first time when Alfredo Vizzini would be too fast to name a new genus. See IFP # 200 and # 202.
P.S. I would greatly appreciate if you would change this observation name back to Clitocybe sinopica (Fr.) P. Kumm. and stop messing up with our MO observation labels. If you have any questions about our ID, express it in Comments, not by changing our MO observation names willy-nilly.

By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2015-07-18 15:45:24 CDT (-0400)

So you don’t blindly accept the work of this guy?

By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-18 13:49:17 CDT (-0400)

At this point to call this fungus Agaricus sinopicus would be about as wrong as to call it Bonomyces sinopicus. Users # 2874
I just want to have our MO observations labelled the same way as their supporting herbarium specimens. This is hard to follow for the Californian neotenic mycologists.

You could also call it Agaricus sinopicus
By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2015-07-18 12:09:02 CDT (-0400)

But unless you have a compelling taxonomic reason not to use the most recent name, I think that is the best name to apply. Calling it an Agaricus or Clitocybe is misleading since it isn’t really in either genus.

What is the “correct name”?
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-18 11:42:38 CDT (-0400)

Alan, you are using the term “correct name” in entirely different sense than what is understood under this term when reading Article 11 of the Code of nomenclature. If you read the Code, Clitocybe sinopica (Fr.) P. Kumm. is also correct! Users # 2874

You can complain all you want
By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2015-07-18 11:18:25 CDT (-0400)

But your observations are going to get the correct names.

Californian amateur mycologists
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-18 03:14:32 CDT (-0400)

don’t like to be called “amateurs”. I am introducing a new term, i.e, neotenic mycologists. If you don’t know what “neotenic” is, you are neotenic for sure! AC
P.S. Some of you even cannot read!

Don’t touch our observation names!
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (
2015-07-16 23:57:07 CDT (-0400)

Please, correct our ID if you are sure that it is wrong, but do it as a Comment, NOT by changing our observation names. Thanks! Most of our MO observations are supported by the herbarium specimens and we have to use the name that is used on the specimen and by the herbarium that hosts our collections. We hope you understand. If you want to suggest different identification or different name, do it in the Comments, not by changing our MO observation names. O. & A. C.