Observation 22661: Craterellus fallax A.H. Sm.

When: 2009-06-29

Collection location: Strouds Run State Park, Athens, Ohio, USA [Click for map]

Who: Dan Molter (shroomydan)

No specimen available



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Reference article describing genetics
By: Nathaniel Segraves (nlsegraves)
2009-06-30 11:53:25 CDT (-0500)

Dahlman, M., Danell, E. & Spatafora, J. W. (2000). Molecular systematics of Craterellus: Cladistic analysis of nuclear LSU rDNA sequence data. Mycological research 104: 388-394.

Deprecation of C. fallax
By: Paul Derbyshire (Twizzler)
2009-06-30 11:43:40 CDT (-0500)

According to the page here for C. fallax:

According to MushroomExpert.com:

“Three species, Craterellus cornucopioides, Craterellus fallax, and Craterellus konradii, have been separated on the basis of geographical distribution and the color of the spore-bearing surface. Dahlman et al. synonymize all of these species, finding no significant genetic variance. The name Craterellus cornucopioides takes precedence according to the rules governing botanical names.”

C. konradii was also separated based on color (yellow/orange vs. black), but many examples have since been found of the the two color forms growing in the same cluster. See observation 2828 for an example of the yellow/orange form.

By: Dan Molter (shroomydan)
2009-06-30 08:30:58 CDT (-0500)

I wanted to put C. fallax up as an option, with Tom Volk’s article as a reference, but the software will not allow the name to be shown. I don’t really understand the reasoning behind deprecation of a name. Isn’t voting sufficient to establish the current in-vogue name?

Instead we have men behind the curtain forbidding the use of certain words, with no explanation or reasoning. If C. fallax is such a repugnant name for black trumpets, then somebody should be able to explain WHY the name is to be despised, belittled, and forbidden. The current practice of deprecation obscures the history of mushroom nomenclature and taxonomy, and it stifles what might prove to be interesting debates.

I deprecate the practice of deprecation!


1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic. to pray for deliverance from.

What about C.fallax?
By: Gerhard Koller (Gerhard)
2009-06-30 07:35:14 CDT (-0500)

I just read that this name is devalidated. Why? I have never seen yellow specks in the true C.cornucopioides.

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