Observation 2619: Pluteus sect. Pluteus

When: 2007-02-25

Collection location: Sebastopol, Sonoma Co., California, USA [Click for map]

Who: Darvin DeShazer (darv)

No specimen available

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Proposed Names

6% (4)
Recognized by sight: Growing from the same conifer wood chip pile as other observations that have been verified as having clamps.
38% (4)
Recognized by sight: P. pouzarianus is a European species
Used references: Justo, A., Malysheva, E., Bulyonkova, T., Vellinga, E. C., Cobian, G., Nguyen, N., … & Hibbett, D. S. (2014). Molecular phylogeny and phylogeography of Holarctic species of Pluteus section Pluteus (Agaricales: Pluteaceae), with description of twelve new species. Phytotaxa, 180(1), 1-85.

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By: Django Grootmyers (Heelsplitter)
2016-11-23 17:18:46 CST (-0600)

I try to propose species names if I can but there isn’t enough info here to call this anything more specific than Pluteus sect. Pluteus. If you refer to the key to the western nearctic in Justo et al. (2014) you should be able to get this to species with microscopy.

Please do not listen to Adolf.
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2016-11-23 09:21:29 CST (-0600)

He is bringing the same issue again and again. He is just testing your mycological IQ. Don’t jump on his trap. He himself is not a mycologist and he has no idea on how the good naming should be done. Mushroom Observer would never be the same, if it would limit the authority of changing the MO observation name to the original user, who posted that particular MO observation.
A.C. Patella

Improve the name
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2016-11-23 00:01:15 CST (-0600)

I don’t mind name changes, but I strongly prefer the change to yield another name, not something like Pluteus sect. Pluteus or just FUNGI. Updating a name is healthy for MO and keeps it current instead of like an old book from 1908. Looking to the future, we will see a lot more name changes in the Western USA as DNA analysis slowly proves the species to be different from Eastern and European species.

You should definitely change MO names
By: Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
2016-11-22 23:44:36 CST (-0600)

Please do not listen to Adolf. It is to everyone’s benefit to make the MO database as accurate as possible.

Reading Justo et al. (2014)
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2016-11-22 12:39:51 CST (-0600)

will not teach you that you should never change the MO observation name of other users. The MO “naming” is a mixture of a Citizen Taxonomy and a Citizen Nomenclature and the Deprecation, Votes and Consensus are the major obstacles of MO being used more by the professional mycologists. Stay away fros this ID by changing names. Make your suggestions as Comments and leave it to the original user to change the name. MO system of naming is flawed.

By: Django Grootmyers (Heelsplitter)
2016-11-22 02:31:52 CST (-0600)

Have you actually read Justo et al. (2014) yet. What are you trying to do here?