Observation 279041: Mixed collection

Original Herbarium Label: Leucopaxillus laterarius (Peck) Singer & A.H. Smith
Herbarium Specimen: UBC F27832 [as “L. laterarius”]
Spores 5-7 µm, round, amylloid, verrucose



Proposed Names

-10% (4)
Recognized by sight: Moist-looking cap, grey on cap, gills not very closely spaced, mushroom is falling apart but not crumbling, orangeish staining, very little debris adhering to stipe, stipe not even a little bulbous/clavate
75% (3)
Recognized by sight: The cluster in the middle photo doesn’t look like the single staining fb.

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= Observer’s choice
= Current consensus


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Pulkcalls my deleting of Comments unscientific on his Facebook
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-06-19 11:22:25 PDT (-0700)

My answer there was:
Adolf Ceska Mushroom Observer is not a scientific tool, but a nice social game. If it were a serious database tool, deprecation, voting and Consensus would have to go. Make your name suggestions as Comments! In the real collection databasing world, only the original user is being allowed to change the original label (=MO observation) name. Various image databases (e.g., Google) pick our MO postings and your, Pulk, crazy name suggestions are going with it as our own. How can you call one single specimen a “Mixed collection”?
Is it your idea science, Pulk?

Why am I deleting my comments?
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-06-18 14:16:19 PDT (-0700)

They don’t have any sense and nobody reads them anyway. If somebody reads them, he or she does not get what we meant. MO administrator Joe Cohen automatically deletes every email from us and we are fighting a loosing battle when we try to fix some MO concept blunders.
Adolf (& Oluna)

@ Adolf
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-18 13:33:49 PDT (-0700)

Why are you deleting your comments?

@ Noee
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-18 13:31:30 PDT (-0700)

Maybe I misclicked or misread something. I could’ve sworn you upvoted L. laterarius, but I can believe you didn’t.

How is T. saponaceum absurd & what are your ideas?

Noah, what is your ID proposal?
By: Oluna & Adolf Ceska (aceska@telus.net)
2017-06-18 00:23:51 PDT (-0700)

You misunderstood me. it is OK if you send us your suggestions as Comments to our MO obsrevtions. To change the other users’ label names is unprofessional. The MO observation name changes should be suggested as Annotations (in case of MO as Comments) and the MO observation name changes should be left on the original User who posted that observation. I have just found that Google is taking over quite a few our MO images into their Image Database, and we have no venue on how to get our original name there. Imagine to have this fungus presented as Tricholoma saponaceum group !
North American mycologists do not know what “Annotations” are or should be. GenBank would highly profit from something like an Annotation System. In MO the Annotation skeleton is there (in Comments) but the MO gurus don’t know what I am talking about.

By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2017-06-17 23:45:19 PDT (-0700)

I did not vote for Leucopaxillus laterarius. I voted against your absurd ID of T. saponaceum.

I have other ideas as to what this mushroom is, but will not touch Adolf’s names, per his wishes.

Sometimes people conflate different mushroom specimens.
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-17 19:53:23 PDT (-0700)

I’d guess there WAS a Leucopaxillus somewhere.

What? No.
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-17 18:24:53 PDT (-0700)

His positive vote is gone now though. I don’t know what’s happening.

By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-17 17:30:12 PDT (-0700)

Why vote for L. laterarius and against T. saponaceum?

Adolf now
By: Danny Newman (myxomop)
2017-06-17 16:42:59 PDT (-0700)

and always has had a point in his dislike of anyone being able to change names at any time with any level of expertise, for any reason, with only an internet connection, a keyboard, and basic motor functions as prerequisites for doing so. I, too, dislike this aspect of the site on occasion. The site has seen the triumphant return of one of the single worst offenders in this category in the past two days (I blame my colossally foolish beast-waking self). The solution that’s supposed to magically happen is that consensus rules the day courtesy of our imaginary army of attention-to-detail-oriented, tech savvy, free-time-having, mycologically adept users. Would that it were, would that it were…

Adolf has not now, nor has he ever, had a point in taking issue with any and every imaginable use of the name proposal and voting system whatsoever, no matter who’s behind it it or why, if it runs contrary to his and Oluna’s preference or point of view. This is a problem which I strongly believe site development could solve if site development took place along these lines. To my knowledge, other matters keep our entirely unpaid, largely unthanked development team busy, as they have for as many years as this issue has kept coming up, over and over again.

The clustered mushrooms are probably something different.
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-17 16:13:49 PDT (-0700)

Proposing and voting on names isn’t messing with observations, but deleting observations is.

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2017-06-17 16:13:26 PDT (-0700)

Adolf, you don’t like this sites features. Everyone else has appreciated what you consider a “fatal error”. So please stop using MO.

Adolf, your Tricholoma doesn’t look anything like Leucopaxillus laterarius.
By: Jacob Kalichman (Pulk)
2017-06-17 15:05:45 PDT (-0700)

For the reasons in my name proposal.

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