Observation 46692: Ciboria rufofusca (O. Weberb.) Sacc.

When: 2010-06-07

Collection location: Bassetts, Sierra Co., California, USA [Click for map]

Who: Douglas Smith (douglas)

No specimen available

Found on a fir cone scale.
Found by others in the spring fungi of the Sierras course.

Small black stipe present.

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Recognized by sight: I usually find them by the truckload near areas common to Morels in the spring. The smaller they are the more perfect their shape seems to be and as the grow larger they become more irregular.

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yes, I changed my vote
By: Mike Kempenich (Gentleman Forager)
2010-06-13 20:45:07 PDT (-0700)

I was contrasting the color to that of the example photo in the link I provided. I guess Im just not seeing any stipe even at full size—-but the observer says there was one so I have to think your correct. I was just interested in hearing more about how you arrived at your conclusion as I am trying to educate myself.

Not sure…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2010-06-13 17:12:51 PDT (-0700)

I’m not sure what you are asking here in detail really, the color is different than what? This looks a lot like what I’ve seen of it in the past.

But with the small size and growth with stipe, and esp. on the fir cone scale, it is then clearly a Ciboria. For the Peziza, the species list from the Sierras lists three common ones, P. praetervisa, P. repandum, and P. violacea. For each of these you would find them without a stipe (or just a small elongated part of the bottom of the cup), and on the ground. There is also cup shaped Descina perlata, which will be more medium to rusty brown and on wood. Bright orange cup shaped is probably Caloscypha fulgens.

For small stuff there is a number of cup shaped things that are small, usually those are on wood of small debris, exp. maybe Tarzetta or some Helvella. Try some genera like Dasyscyphus, Geopyxis, Hyaloscypha, Lachnellula, Mollisia, Rustroemia…

I’m not sure what you want here? Just click around the site here, and compare to other photos, you should get a good variation of stuff to see what things look like.

Do you want to change your vote yet? Or do you think there is no way possible this is Ciboria?

By: Mike Kempenich (Gentleman Forager)
2010-06-13 08:39:29 PDT (-0700)

Im not a Mycologist so I ‘ll say Uncle. I don’t know though….the color is different, the density of the fruit appears different. It sure looks a dead ringer for what Ive been eating much of over the past month. Is there a variety of colors for rufofusca?

edumacate me please.

Um, it is there…
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2010-06-13 08:21:22 PDT (-0700)

There is a small blackish stipe visible. It just blends in with the dark brown of the fir cone scale, but it is there, look at the full scale photo, the stipe is there.

Growth with a stipe, small, on a fir scale, and the id was done in a room full of mycologists (more or less). The chance this is a Peziza is not likely…

It is what it is…

No visible stock seems like a major flaw to Ciboria rufofusca
By: Mike Kempenich (Gentleman Forager)
2010-06-12 20:14:22 PDT (-0700)


This doesn’t appear to be his find,but I’m no expert….

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