When: 2010-06-24

Collection location: Wallowa Lake, Wallowa Co., Oregon, USA [Click for map]

Who: xprmntl

No specimen available

Growing under mixed conifer forest a few hundred yards from Wallowa Lake. Found in two different locations.


Proposed Names

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Recognized by sight: Can’t tell much from the picture… But I don’t think it’s a Trich.
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So can I. But very few.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2013-03-10 00:20:35 CST (-0600)

I found one among snow. Not a very common thing here.

Haven’t hunted much in Oregon during the Spring but
By: Ron Pastorino (Ronpast)
2013-03-09 19:19:16 CST (-0600)

I can technically claim an Oregon Cort find… http://mushroomobserver.org/94885
in the spring. Also found a few morels in same general area.
I would also assume they would grow more generally in the spring.

In California, maybe.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2013-03-09 17:50:34 CST (-0600)

In Oregon, no.

By: Noah Siegel (Noah)
2013-03-08 20:04:31 CST (-0600)

There are lots (20-30 species) of spring fruiting Cortinarius in the mountains.

I doubt that this is a Tricholoma. If it is a Trich , it is NOT in the in the caligatum/magnivelare group.

Probably not Cortinarius.
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2013-03-08 19:34:03 CST (-0600)

Look at where and where found: Wallowa Lake and June. Morels fruit in June there.

No indication of cortina, which would most certainly be present on C. magnivelatus. No indication it was growing underground, either. xprmnti said he ate the observation.

In Oregon, matsutake has confirmed collections from year-round. Not so Cortinarius, which is usually a fall and winter species.

Not saying these are C. variecolor…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2013-03-08 17:35:34 CST (-0600)

just a suggestion to check. But, other collections I have IDed as variecolor featured large fruit bodies. Dense context is also a trait I have observed on the corts I have IDed as variecolor.

Check out some of the recent PNW corts that have been posted on MO. After proposing “variecolor” I ran across some other types of MO posted corts that look similar. Maybe you’re not gonna nail it this time, xpr. But more info is better than less info, especially if you make another collection of the type seen in this obs.

Of course, without a spore color Tricholoma still looks like a possibility. I don’t know the western NA Trichs.

Not Sticky or Glutinous
By: xprmntl
2013-03-08 11:09:45 CST (-0600)

Who knows? They do have a similarity to Dave W’s Pennsylvania finds, especially image 271351, but size seen much larger—the stems were quite broad at 50 – 100 mm. From a qualitative point of view, they were much denser and heavier than any Cortinarius that I have come in contact with, much more in line with a Matsutake

Sorry, no spore print. Next time!

Collections of C. variecolor types…
By: Dave W (Dave W)
2013-03-08 08:28:51 CST (-0600)

that I have made here in Pennsylvania exhibit some macro traits that are unusual for a cort… Gills of immature specimens creamy white, cut context white/whitish. I have observed fruitings of these cool/cold weather types which remained in an apparent immature stage in situ for two weeks.
I’m wondering if there was a spore drop to observe for this obs?

By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2010-06-27 19:20:45 CDT (-0500)

Pacific Silver fir is the more proper name for Silver fir.

By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2010-06-26 01:01:02 CDT (-0500)

you’ll need a voucher collection for naming it anything. And, uh, forgive me, you seem to have ate the evidence.

Missed One
By: xprmntl
2010-06-25 21:45:44 CDT (-0500)

+Silver Fir—thanks for the backup. Was definitely not near any Black Cottonwood (man those things are tall!), Willow, Sage Brush, Rabbit Brush, nor Lodgepole. These specimens was not near any bushes.

I would like to name this new species: Tricholoma Kramericum

Monterey and Bishop pine…
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2010-06-25 18:13:59 CDT (-0500)

are generally unknown in Oregon unless specifically introduced. Cape Lookout has some introduced Monterey pine but no Bishop pine. AFAIK, Bishop pine known in Oregon only from extreme southwestern corner of state, if then. More likely not typically seen here, but who knows all of the introduced species in Oregon and where they are at?

Wallowa Lake is located in extreme northeastern Oregon, about 250 miles east of Portland. Trees from the immediate area of Wallowa Lake that I remember are Douglas-fir, Pacific Silver fir, Mountain hemlock, Ponderosa pine, willow, Black cottonwood, Silver sagebrush, Big sagebrush, rabbitbrush, possibly some Lodgepole pine.

Many people in Oregon still don’t recognize the importance of including tree and shrub species as possible hosts for mycorrhizal fungi in observations. Many Oregonians just enjoy them being present.

Wallowa Lake is a powerful place, home to the Nez Perce and quite possibly the Appaloosa horse. It was carved from a glacier coming off the Wallowa Mountains, and a sizeable morraine forms the eastern side of the lake as I recall: easily 2,000 feet tall, possibly higher. A cemetery near the north end of the lake includes the remains of several Native Americans.

Only in Jest
By: xprmntl
2010-06-25 18:03:24 CDT (-0500)

I’m just a amateur here. Size of stipe >5 cm, as well. Is definitely edible. And good.

Sorry, no disrespect intended, Darvin. Just thought maybe you hadn’t taken in the location fully.

Only in Jest
By: xprmntl
2010-06-25 18:03:22 CDT (-0500)

I’m just a amateur here. Size of stipe >5 cm, as well. Is definitely edible. And good.

Sorry, no disrespect intended, Darvin. Just thought maybe you hadn’t taken in the location fully.

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2010-06-25 16:22:39 CDT (-0500)

You should not refer to Darvin as “silly”.

T. muricatum was what I got to with that key, but that pronounced bulbous base sure is suspect.

Oregon, silly
By: xprmntl
2010-06-25 15:02:22 CDT (-0500)

Bishop and Monterey pine are California coastal species. Wallowa Lake is in Eastern Oregon—largely Douglas Fir, Hemlock, Red Cedar, Ponderosa Pine forest.

I would describe flavor and odor as pleasant.

T. muricatum
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2010-06-25 13:53:34 CDT (-0500)

My first guess from the photo would be T. muricatum. The odor is not always farinaceous sometimes it is nonexistent. Was Bishop Pine or Monterey Pine present?

I still can’t identify as anything else
By: xprmntl
2010-06-25 13:30:22 CDT (-0500)

I realize the T. Colossus is described as a European species, but I can’t find anything else as close in description. I have been around the block on this one. Someone have any ideas?
It is quite like T. muricatum, but odor and taste were not farinaceous.
Similar to T. Ustale, but not found in deciduous forest.
Similar to T. fracticum, but the stipe was not dual colored.
It is not T. vernaticum as it did not smell of cucumber (though I did find a couple of these near.
It is not T. imbricatum as the cap was not dry and fribrillose
It is not T. fulvum because there was no yellow tone in stipe or gills
Not T. subumbrinum as no yellow in cap.
Not T. Focale as there was no cottony ring nor mealy odor
T. Apium is a possibility?

Not in USA
By: Darvin DeShazer (darv)
2010-06-24 21:35:10 CDT (-0500)

Tricholoma colossus is a European species and so far, not found in North America. Here is a link to a KEY for trichs in Oregon.

Welcome to Mushroom Observer, xprmnti!
By: Daniel B. Wheeler (Tuberale)
2010-06-24 18:42:42 CDT (-0500)

Nice collection! haven’t found this one yet, but was in your collection area a few years ago with the Oregon Mycological Society’s annual Spring Forage, held at the former Boy Scout Campground at Wallowa Lake. Beautiful location! Wonderful scenery, some terrific wildlife. Going after one of those record Kokanee?