When: 2008-01-14

Collection location: Novato, Marin Co., California, USA [Click for map]

Who: John Kirkpatrick (natashadak)

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I’m including two sets of two specimens here; they were inches apart and appear very similar but the first pair is more convexed than the second, while the second has an annulus which the first lacks. I was thinking galerina autumnalis while I was shooting them but the spores I’ve gotten, while brown, are elliptical, smooth and have a germ poor. To complicate matters (assuming these are different species) I’m not sure which set I selected to get the spore print — I think the second.

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By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2008-01-22 05:00:28 CST (-0600)

Richard, he moved the Images of the Tubaria to another observation page. So both mushrooms, and both pictures here are of the same species.
I disagree with Gymnopilus based on a couple of features.
One, the size is diminutive, Gymnopilus tend to be rather large in comparison.
two, the lamelle are tan or cream coloured- consistent with Galerina (and Tubaria).
And three, the caps are viscid, beginning to go hygrophanous. This trait is not seen in Gymnopilus, but is typical of Galerina.

The first thing that came to my mind
By: Richard Gaines (RVG)
2008-01-22 00:50:08 CST (-0600)

The first thing that came to my mind when I looked at both pictures was Gymnopilus. I do not see how these pictures are not simply diffrent angles on the same pair of mushrooms. The rusty orange veil remnants visible in both pictures are among the strongest features sugesting Gymnopilus to me; along with the over all orange brown color and the stoutness and light color of the stem. I like the Photographs for what they show.
I came on to the web looking for mention of Galerina look alikes and specifically obscure mushrooms of no specific value that would be easy for a seasond mycologist to confuse. Something somone would never eat because it looks too much like a Galerina. I seem to have recolection of some such genus who’s more notable diffrence would be a darker brown spore print. I may have mistaken recolection. I do know that the last time I spore printed a Galerina autumnalis the print came out more to the brown side of rusty brown than I was expecting. I think the mushroom refrence I am looikng for has an even darker brown print. Tuberia would not be it.

tubaria moved to observation #6088
By: John Kirkpatrick (natashadak)
2008-01-18 01:58:28 CST (-0600)

I can spend way too much time trying to get a decent photograph, but my patience thins all too fast when I try to identify something unfamiliar or forgotten, in the case of the tubaria. I now suspect the spore sample was from the tubaria. I plan to go the Soma camp this Sunday and will try to remember to bring he slide along … Thanks

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2008-01-17 14:00:15 CST (-0600)

There are a hell of a lot of different Tubaria species just in Northern CA. Sure, there is the T. furfuracea species complex, but then to complicate things further, there are a lot of other Tubaria species, many which with phenotypic variation within species look frustratingly close to the T. furfuracea complex. I rarely name Tubaria to species.

Def. Tubaria and Galerina
By: Douglas Smith (douglas)
2008-01-17 11:36:24 CST (-0600)

I would say def. a Tubaria and a Galerina. The first one has that dot-dash white veil rem. on the margin that is a feature of Tubaria furfuracea. But Dr. Vellinga believes there are a number of species here, and people just haven’t gotten around to looking at them, she would say that this one has a smoother, shinier cap than T. furfuracea should have, and might be another species. I don’t know, until someone does the work, I’ll just all then all one species for now.

With the fiberous veils on the other two, they will be Galerina, and with growth on wood, 90% of time it seems these are G. autumnalis (or G. marginata). Except one thing, they aren’t so umbonate…

But the claims of a germ pore are interesting. Tubaria will have smooth spores, and elliptical, but not a germ pore. There are a few Galerinas with a germ pore, but I don’t think they look like G. autumnalis, and the germ pore they have is very slight, and not easily seen. Also G. autumnalis has fairly roughened spores, well except a largish percentage from the gill will look smooth, since they only roughen when mature, spores on the veil tissue will be consistently rough.

But Conocybe will have a clear germ pore (big), but not such a fiberous veil. So, if you’re right with the smooth spores and germ pore on the ones with a veil, I’d like to look at them myself (someday, but not this month…), they might be something interesting. Well, it depends on what you would call interesting…

By: Erin Page Blanchard (CureCat)
2008-01-17 03:08:44 CST (-0600)

The first one might be Tubaria, while the other two Galerina… Maybe, just a thought.